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  • please will brenden rogers do the right thing and go,plese

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    • You can't raise the titanic in a day unfortunately. Read between the lines, he's had to get rid of 100 million worth of mistakes ( still in the process of that) improve the squad, change the way we play, and all this without a box player. We're gonna have regular setbacks I'm afraid and considering all of the above he's not done too badly. We have a very outside chance of being top 6 - not good enough, but progress if we can do it.

    • Spot on again Robert.

      As I've said before 1 cup, two finals and 8th place with some bad luck (and a regular absence of our two top goalscorers this season) wasn't good enough for the board.

      I wonder what people are seeing this season to suggest that measurable signs of progress have been made?

      I can't see it for the life of me (and believe me, I've been looking).

    • This team is mentally weak I think. How often have they turn a result around, how often how they allow opponent to come back, how often have they fail to win matches when on paper, they have more quality? All in all, it is disappointing. Sigh

    • You seem to be implying that because KD was sacked for 8th and a single cup then BR should also be given the boot if he does not at least do better (what 2 cups plus 8th, or maybe 7th would do it?). But that ignores 2 obvious facts.

      First KD was in charge for more than a season and a half and actually went backward between his two league finishes, so at the very least to suggest judgment be made now, midseason, on BR would be a little premature.

      Second it assumes all things are equal between the two tenures. I've already pointed out the time given obviously is not, but nor are the resources provided. If BR was given the same level of resources and a free hand to make the side in his own image then maybe you'd have a point, but he obviously was not given near the purse that KD and DC got.

      Now personally I think KD got a rough judgment. It’s hard to argue he was a success, but in giving him a grade I'd suggest an incomplete as two full season would seem fair before passing final judgment in my view, but that length of time might be hard to grasp for someone who supports the Chelsea hiring and firing process, which seems to have a smaller attention span than.... well actually I can't think of anything less fickle that Roman.

      But end of the day it’s not this board that makes the judgment on which manager should stay or go, it’s the Board headed by Mr. Henry, and it seems right or wrong he's set different targets for his last manager versus his current, and provided funds he felt were enough to reach those targets, and it’s whether the gaffer hits that target what will define for the owner success or not.

      However this board does get to choose who it supports and does not support. It seems your line, and others monitoring this thread would suggest BR is not worthy of support. Maybe some have decided they've seen enough, and it seems you want to play the role of persuading more they should remove support, but I'd respectfully disagree with your argument.

      Based on current information success is not inevitable, but nor is failure either, so why jump to either conclusion. For me if I don't have enough information to make a judgment I prefer not to guess, but instead look for more information, or reserve judgment until more information is available. Until then I'll not remove my support.

    • I think giving BR two years before fully judging him is a reasonable position to take but earlier in this thread you posted ...

      "we are making progress. Its measured but it is progress."

      I think that the point that Robert is making is that it is difficult for many including lots of Liverpool fans to see the measured progress you are referring to.

      p.s. I thought your previous post was very long :-)

    • It was long, but I think it also said quite a bit so needed a few extra sentences.

      On the measured progress, I think we've had this conversation before. It’s hard to argue based on results alone that BR has been a raging success or a total failure, so we have to look to more subjective measurements. From that I see us playing better football, not every game, but most games I see positive signs; progressive, technically adept, football resulting in lots of possession and the creation of scoring chances. For me that is an improvement, and something I can empirically measure, compared to last season.

      But since the glass is neither full nor empty, I suppose it come down to whether people think the glass is half full, or half empty. If it’s the former we keep supporting, if the latter, then being a naysayer maybe in order.

    • The level and degree to which the comments, and some supporters lean, change, or speak so drastically, has got to be as fickle as it gets, when looking here..

      So, with 2-3 names, presumably ones we all know, looking like they are headed in the door, but can't be known for sure or announced by Jan 2nd, let's sack Rodgers now, and bring in _____________ ?

      Because, over the summer, the line of names was absolutely beating down the door to not only be the one to take on the "REBUILDING" (aka tearing major parts/players down and away from the club, reducing wages, removing dead wood, and promoting youth and a whole new style), let alone filling in Kenny Dalglish shoes, was so long, we had the luxury of picking from football's greatest.. Roberto Martinez, Sven Goran (I love every club) Ericksson and..?

      Again, I have no bias, nor any vested interest in FSG, Henry, Werner etc., whatsoever, regardless of being American, because I've had to hate and endure them over here for nearly 13 years as my biggest rival in Red Sox vs Yankees, but, in seeing how they've done things, they have more or less followed a blue print to a T, and again, unless Rodgers finishes 14th or somewhere around there, or worse (maybe, but I doubt it 12th-13th), he is going nowhere. He hasn't had half a season, let alone a full one, and the fact that we have made more dramatic steps forward, rather than backwards, but people only seem to pick and choose on weekly results is nothing short of laughable for anyone who can at least see a glass as level, not half empty or half full, for exactly what it is..

      Can anyone say with 100% certainty that Jose Mourinho could be doing a whole lot better, without employing his dirty foul, park the bus tactics, while working on a 29M summer budget and perhaps 20-30M, max, Jan budget, while selling off last summer's inept players, incorporating some who couldn't move, and using, Brad Jones, Suso, Sterling, no Lucas for a long period, and only Suarez.. Unless you have a crystal ball, the answer is at best "maybe" with a few more draws, and a few more pts, but probably not..

      So, let's sack Rodgers and bring in __________? and sack all the new players too.. Perhaps bring back Adam, Spearing, Wilson, and extend Cole for 5 years..

      Ridiculousness at it's finest..

    • Dave, in response to your previous post, I haven't suggested he be sacked. Or retained. As PS says, I'm simply objecting to your continued claims of progress. It looks to me like your team has gone backwards this season as compared to last, and it went backwards last season as compared to two before that (we can agree the Hodgson/Dalglish season was an aberration if you like), and the Benitez last season was backwards from the seasons before. And yet I don't remember reading you ever saying anything other than things were currently getting better, from any Benitez time onwards.

      So what are your empirical measurements showing things are better than last season?

      I don't know how many league points you had half way through last season but I presume it was fewer than you have now. That to me is probably the most important empirical measure (and my team has gone backwards on that in recent seasons too). You think possession and creation of scoring chances are important and on that you have progressed. Okay. You claim empirical evidence for it getting better apparently. What is the evidence?

      Let me try my previous question in a different way. If at the end of the season, you have fewer league points than last year and you are in the bottom half of the table, albeit just, and with no other trophies won, do you think you will still be able to claim your club has made progress?


      Robert

    • "we have made more dramatic steps forwards than backwards"

      I know it will be a surprise that I don't follow every dot and comma written either here or on the LFC website but as an outsider there would appear to me to be only three significant steps made between a year ago and now.

      One positive: so far this season you have avoided the fuck wit PR that Dalglish presided over in the Suarez affair.

      One negative: at the halfway point in the season you have, I believe, won even fewer league points than last year (which was your worst start to the season for 57 years or something) and you may or may not be in the top half of the table, a position below which was considered unacceptable for Dalglish to finish at. (And less interestingly, you've been knocked out of the Milk Cup.)

      One neutral: yes, you've had a lot of staff turnover.

      Feel free to enlighten me on the dramatic steps forward I've missed but if the biggest is indeed the absence of the most abysmal PR seen in the history of UK sport, it's not much to write home about. To me, the balance sheet looks negative.


      Robert

    • "we have made more dramatic steps forwards than backwards"

      I know it will be a surprise that I don't follow every dot and comma written either here or on the LFC website but as an outsider there would appear to me to be only three significant steps made between a year ago and now.

      One positive: so far this season you have avoided the fuck wit PR that Dalglish presided over in the Suarez affair.

      One negative: at the halfway point in the season you have, I believe, won even fewer league points than last year (which was your worst start to the season for 57 years or something) and you may or may not be in the top half of the table, a position below which was considered unacceptable for Dalglish to finish at. (And less interestingly, you've been knocked out of the Milk Cup.)

      One neutral: yes, you've had a lot of staff turnover.

      Feel free to enlighten me on the dramatic steps forward I've missed but if the biggest is indeed the absence of the most abysmal PR seen in the history of UK sport, it's not much to write home about. To me, the balance sheet looks negative.


      Robert

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