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  • Jason Jason Jan 4, 2013 03:11 Flag

    Ince-ing Closer

    I was really hoping to continue on this whole sudden wealth of "this side of the puddle" transfer news, has been fairly accurate and surprisingly informative, but it's going a bit quiet on the LFC front, so I figure I may as well get stuck in the gossip now..
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tom-ince-and-father-paul-try-1516866

    Out of the gates December, it was all Sturridge/Ince here, so 1 is done, and I think everything that's been said in public represents the truth on Ince, I'm hoping this is close as well..

    I personally really like him, and his form has been superb.. I think the 6M buy is a good deal completely irrelevant to having sold him for 250K. There was no guarantee, never is with youth..

    All of this said, this particular story worries me just a bit, since I know his dad is a pretty vocal guy, and seemed to have alot to do with him leaving, along with the obvious lack of playing time, so I hope that it's nothing we'll regret down the road..

    I'll have to defer to some of you, since I don't recall all of the specifics of him leaving aside from turning down the contract and wanting more regular time, but my memory keeps saying his father had some involvement..

    Interested on anyone's take or how they remember that, and if this would be a concern or not.. I doubt it would be an issue, but could you imagine Suarez, Sturridge, Ince and then Sterling all sulking like children (which 2 are) about playing time etc etc?

    I guess get it done, cross that bridge and let BR worry about that eh ?

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    • When he was with us, we offered him a new contract but he wanted guarantees he would be in the 1st team squad (not the 1st xi), we couldnt give them too him so he left, fair enough, with his dads advice. Read the daily mail story, it seems his dad is now trying to force Blackpool to let him go to LFC this week! Agree, the buyback loss is irellevant as he would never have developed in the way he has by staying in our reserves.The good news is that we pay 40% less then anyone else.

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      • I've got no inside information, but reading between the lines I think the issue is more Blackpool's desire to stick to their guns and not give the player away. More power to them, selling on prospects will always be a key source of revenue for lower league sides, but it seems they've got a reputation for being very tough in negotiations. Anyone remember how long it took for Adam to come in, despite the player and us wanting the move.

      • we need mifield players who are fast enough to get up and support Suarez and sturridge, and to get back and help the defence as well. The midfield is where games are won or lost and we haven't had a strong midfield who can destroy teams, week in week out. YNWA

    • Just something else to consider, and I'm not suggesting this is holding up the Ince deal, but just another potential moving piece that needs to be managed under what we assume is a limited budget. That is whether we're in the market for a full back or not.

      With Jose out till late Feb I'm wondering if we might consider some cover. Johnson has been great, and for me having one of his best seasons at both right and left back, but I am a bit concerned we are a bit light after that. Wisdom has done fine filling in, but I'd not go beyond fine. He really does not push forward with real attacking flair the way Johnson and Enrique do, which has been a major part of our attacking prowess lately. Additionally while we commanded the game against Sunderland, there were a couple times he seemed out of position, with Skrtel having to cover.

      If god forbid Johnson goes down, that really only leaves Downing who is a makeshift full back and kiddies to fill in, which makes me a bit nervous. I know Agger or Cara could slot over, and we got a number of others who could maybe fill in on a pinch, but it seems to me the full back role is key to the BR system, and really allows the front wide men to pinch in and be a threat in the box, and allow the central 3 to really stay compact and dominate the midfield, so wondering if it’s something we're looking at.

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      • Dave...withthe injury to Enrique have to agre we are a bit light at the back but for this very reason ANY talk of LOANING out such as Coates should surely be quashed ? Agger can always drop deeper and relinquish his central role to Coates who imo has performed quite well when he has been given his opportunity...loved his knock down for our "winner" at Goodison from Louis
        Im not overly optimistic about Tom Ince being brought in maybe best to forget about it till end of season looks like it might be worth it to Blackpool to keep him and hope for a playoff slot end of reg season..more potential gain in PROMOTION for them than netting say 4 mill squid but you never know their Chairman Oyston is a greedy sod like his dad !

    • I was merely making the Blackpool connection as they tend to want more than he's actually worth.

    • Just prepare for all the blasphemy after the United game, where (unfortunately, hate to think like this) most likely, everyone at LFC aside from Suarez and Gerrard will need to be sacked..

      Good news is, Guardiola announced his plans to return! Surely we head the list..

    • Can I remind you guys that a certan Bill Shankly joined Liverpool in December 1959. Liverpool won the second division to gain promotion in 1961-62. So it took him 18 months!

      He didn't win the First Division Championship until 1963-64 either. Why didn't he win it in his first season? He actually didn't win any Championships between 1966 and 1972 either. I suppose he should have been sacked then.

      Oh but he built the club up from nowhere. Yes and give Rodgers the time to see if he can do the same. The big difference now is that money plays a much bigger part making the job even harder.

      Slightly contraversial perhaps but I'm just saying that I'll stick with what I'm seeing for the moment. It feels right to me.

    • noo noo...understand what u are saying about the late great Mr Shankly...all Imsaying is I remain in support of our manager right now as I dont think he should be judged cetainly not until seasons end.. Kenny wasnt given a whole lot longer and in my opinion we were on the right track with him and his tactics whereas I think BR Iis looking more and more like a one trick pony where his tactics are concerned ...he doesnt seem able to modify them all we have is tici taca even we dont have the players to execute it well we shall just have to see where we are after Jan and this transfer window but think we need a midfield monster right now somebody who can put it about back there .

    • Jason there was a contract dispute, and his dad was a player and a manager so it would be natural for him to take some guidance on what to do.

      Like you said, it doesn't matter that he left, he is a more complete player now. If he is coming back, there's no doubt his dad will have given him yet more guidance on things. I reckon they look at Sterling, Suso, Wisdom and think 'I will get a chance to play there now.' they can see that things are different in terms of giving youth a chance, and there no doubt the club is on an upward curve, not that you would know it based on some of the drivel written on these boards!

    • I hear what you're saying Colin and they are fair points for sure. At least you are willing to show some restraint unlike some who will be calling for his head tomorrow.

      The Shankly reminder I gave myself was kind of useful and I was able to draw some comparisons between the work that he faced on his first day as Liverpool manager and the task in front of Rodgers. Put simply they are / were both facd with having to build a club up to a whole new level. Agreed Rodgers is at an advantage as we're in the PL already and the LFC brand is well established. Shankly did not however have the financial constraints that Rodgers does.

      One comparison that struck home was the fact that after one game SHnakly had decided the squad wasn't good enough and basically put the whole team on the transfer list. All of those players were gone within 18 months I think. Does that sound familiar? The difference is that complete that level of player turnover in that timescale nowadays means you need Armchair level funding i.e the billionaire sheik that runs the corner shop down your road. It was a useful reminder to me anyway.

      Regarding tactics and willingness to change I'd say look at the Mansfield game where he took off Sturridge and Suso when things started to get a bit tense for us. You're right though the quality of player to play the short possesion game isn't quite there.

      Rather oddly that certain bloke Shankly insisted that players train on grass with a ball. None of this pounding the streets on long runs. Have we come full circle?

    • armchair...think I have to say for me the jury is still out on Rogers being the man to produce the kind of team spirit we are talking about here ...the creation of "hard-men" men committed to winning every loose or 50/50 ball...I would have tosay imo right now ...No ...BUT I remain in support of the manager as dont feel it fair to judge himtill he has completed a season with us.
      Have to add that for all the whinging on the board about the money Kenny "wasted" on "his" signings most seem to have finally come good. Im speaking of Hendo Downing and of course lets not forget a certain Mr Louis Suarez...what do u think the asking price would be for him today ?

    • I don't want to jump the gun or give any false timelines, but, going off some news here, Liverpool and Blackpool have finally reached terms to meet each side's valuation, which looks like around 6M (maybe a bit more), and it does look like Tom Ince will be joining soon..

      I'd love to say 48 hours or 72 hours, but haven't seen or gotten that specific, so maybe within a week, hopefully sooner.

      Could be wrong all together, but, this one seemed likely all the time and only makes sense, especially since Blackpool could make a purchase, profit a little and not risk losing him for less..

      Fingers crossed that in fact it is just a formality of "being done"

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