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  • dsteer_lfc_68 dsteer_lfc_68 Jan 17, 2013 22:23 Flag

    Are Yanks better than Arabs (or any other rich oil tycoons)?

    Well first off, of course they are not. It would be a racist statement to say they were and I'm not going down that path.

    However what motivates an owner I think does make one better than another. So too does the size of his wallet and his willingness to part with his hard earned cash for our pleasure.

    Blanket statement I know but seem to me there are two kinds of owners out there. First those who see football as any other business. They may love their work, but they also run their clubs to make money. Some are more successful than others, but the motive is profit as it is with any company that wants to stay in business.

    Second are those that are in it for the love of the game or a particular club. The benefactor if you like. They range from the one jumping up and down the other day when he thought his hard earned cash had won his club a replay at Anfield, to Roman A who sits in his box surveying everything he owns.

    But which is better?

    Now some might say the latter as someone in love will always do what it takes while the man watching the bottom line is willing to take 2nd place if it makes him more money. True statement I'd say, but what happens if someone falls out of love, or when the blind love empties the bank account?

    Now I'm not saying that Roman or the Citizen Arabs are going to run out of money, or suddenly fall out of love, but who’s to say people born and raised thousands of miles from their current sweethearts won't. So maybe the best situation is a local boy made good, but how many are there of those? Seems quite a few, but too many who have emptied their coffers in pursuit of true love, and are never heard from again.

    So is that rich American who wants to make a buck or two really so bad then? He may not do it for love, but so long as he keeps turning a profit is well motivated to keep going, and so long as the business model is one where he can make more money the better the club does on the pitch, surely we are all happy.

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    • Well let’s wait and see shall we. Maybe I'm just a little more of an optimist to your pessimism, but that is not something we did not know already. But the two things that make me think it will have an impact, even if it’s not perfect and some do try to go around the regulations are 1) this is not something imposed from above, but something the majority of clubs in Europe want, and therefore are likely to complain about if it’s not enforced, and 2) those clubs like City and Chelsea who do have the resources to ignore these new rules are in fact already making moves to try to comply: Chelsea by stating they want to turn a profit and actually achieving it in their last financial year reported, and City by slowing down their spending and reducing their losses.

    • If we can get an owner that can buy in the best players without sweating.. Then it doesn't matter if they're arab or american.

      Yet from what i've seen of american owners they promise one thing and deliver the exact opposite.

    • Dave...for all u try to emphasize that the bottom line is profit from sound long term financial management I cant understand why u cant see that FFP wont make ablind bit of difference to the game as it is right now? Ever heard of tax evasion ? Same animal u going to be dealing with when FFP is implemented....do u seriously doubt it?

    • No Im NOT happy Dave I want the kind of owners Citeh and Chelski have and to hell with FFP which wont make any difference at all its toothless and once the scammers get to work trust me it will be gumless too !
      Any LFC fan says he would prefer FSG and their "business model" running our club as opposed to The Sheik or Roman just hasnt thought it through. Truth is we are all envious of those two clubs and te fact that all we have is these bottom line obsessed Yanks as owners. Give me the kind of owners who indulge their own passion for their clubs...everytime !
      Look its FSG who continue to employ this Ian Ayre ? Whats all that about they sent Commoli doown the road maybe Ayre should have been sent with him and Kenny left in place to carry on th good work he was clearly doing and I might add bringing some passion back to the club instead of giving us all 101 in basic economics !

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      • Hear hear Colin with you 100% on that..

        I've had enough of these FSG penny pinchers at LFC..

        Give us the Sheikh who wanted to buy LFC .. He'd have made us a huge club again.. We'd have had the players like Chelsea & Man City have.. rather than the players like Allen, Henderson, Downing etc..

      • To be honest I understand the jealousy some have for City and Chelsea because of the resources their owners bring. But after really thinking it through and looking at what I think is best not just right now, but long term I'm not sure that benefactor type ownership is best.

        Actually while it’s obvious the Glazers have milked Utd for as much as they can over the years to support their lifestyle and failing property business, I think I'd not mind the model Utd has had in place ever since the prem started. That is maximizing the profits, re-invest them into the club to generate even more success and profit, and keep the virtuous cycle going. Now that is great business, and it seems not bad for the supporters either.

        Now of course someone coming from outside with a couple billion to throw around sounds nice, and will of course have an impact, just as it has at Chelsea and City, but is it sustainable? Well as Robert will tell you its still working so why complain, but really for how long? Robert has of course seen great glory from Roman's money, and I wish I could say the same about our club, however will his kids (assuming he raises them as Blues) see the same success, what about his grandkids? Is there a foundation, is there a virtuous cycle, and is there something bigger than one man that has created a platform for the club to sustain success?

        We missed the boat back in the early 90s, not because we did not support the club enough, not because our owners were not rich enough (they were plenty rich enough) but because they were not business savvy enough. Let's not miss the boat again.

    • Dave,

      I know you're not attempting to go down any particular road, having come accustomed to speaking with you, and your style, but I'm a little surprised, or caught off guard by this topic and while I am responding (regardless of being American, really!), I'm actually not sure how to respond, or what you're saying outside of the money from foreigners (Yanks, Arab, Russian etc), and the few domestic owners remaining..

      I suppose one question I have, which I can research but again, just a generality.. how many (assuming only epl) domestic owners/chairmen are there? Kenwright, Levy, Whelan are the first that come to mind, and I know there are others, but it seems not many like there was in the old days..

      Another question is, is it due to the economics in UK (Europe) to where there just aren't that many millionaires/billionaires over there, and that many more around the world who are interested, love or care about football... of course aside from the ones Armchair knows, leading us to his answer that yes Arabs are the best (purely money based)..

      The domestic owners and chairman that remain, really don't seem to have the means to secure the funds or finances to generate the funds and compete with you you're referring to..

      So, while if you're looking for glory, and we already have the history, then I suppose in our case in this current state of time, wealthy Shieks or whatever you want to refer to them as to be politically correct, would be our quick route to the top. But, remember in those dark days when the 2 cancers H&G almost took the club into administration, it came down to Henry and FSG, and a wealthy man from Asia who was a fashion designer and known as a United Supporter.. So in that case, we probably got it right there..

      Let's say City bottom out in 2-3 years.. and we find ourself amongst the top 2-3 in the table just about fighting for a title, was it worth it for City to end up falling apart, and us having struggled a bit, but ending up top notch in all aspects.. Winning, trophies, financially sound, and a future when they sell?