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Well Mel, I appreciate the mention, and regardless whatever happens on the pitch, or behind closed doors, I still support the "Club" and whatever the future holds..
I have, on several occasions, and sorry to be redundant, have absolutley no vested interest in these guys because it's direct conflict for me from an American perspective as a New Yorker vs Boston theme..
This said, if and when I see fit, that they're doing something that I personally deem wrong, or not in the best interest of LFC or the fans, I'll be one of the first ones to call them out. But, having seen their model for 13 (give or take) years, and the success it's brought them and the city of Boston, it's basically what I had expected and explained from the dark days when we almost went into administration as they, and an Asian fashion designer United fan were the 2 final front runners to buy the club..
I will say that Ian Ayre is a complete idiot.. I've occasionally been privvy to some information, other times just done my research very thoroughly, and he's a liability to the club.. I cringe when he speaks, so on top of his inability to get things done in the market properly (Dempsey was in the bag, factually), I take some of his statements with a pinch of salt, and that of a moron.. He's a marketing/pr person acting as the face of a large Football Club and worldwide brand.. I hope he goes, though I have no information to support he will, unless he's just keeping a seat warm until the summer..
That said, as per Dave's comments and something I said in another thread.. in the face of 20M+ bids for both Skrtel and Agger, both resigned long term contracts with improved wages, as has Suarez, Sterling, Jonjo, Lucas, Suso, Wisdom and all our great youth players, as well as back bones of the club.. I'm sure in addition to length, increases, their contracts all contain some sort of incentive.. Every contract anywhere has them.. I'm sure when City took a risk on Hargreaves this year, there was a time/matches played clause in there in addition to whatever ridiculous wages they gave and wasted on him..
Also, while I don't have the figures for us completely, nor every other club, we have actually been up around the top of the EPL this year in spend, and not just net, gross..
I think we were 3rd highest in the summer, around 30M, and we've actually spent 12M on Sturridge, where Chelsea has only spent about 8M on Demba Ba, City nothing, United nothing, Spurs nothing, Everton nothing, Arsenal nothing..
I expect these clubs to all do something, but I also expect us to do a little bit more as well, unless the players we want are being asked for over the odds fees and we wait until the summer..
While at the moment everyone despises Borini, he's now back as a new addition, and has tiny expectations on him with Suarez form/goals scored, and Sturridge expectations, and while in poor form now, Allen did look brilliant early on, so if those 2 in particular, find form, consistency and contribute to moving us up the table, then it was money very well spent and a good job done..
If and when I hear or see them saying or doing something I didn't expect, or that I view as wrong, again, I'll be the first one to pick them out... BUT, I don't know who else is out there to buy/run a club, especially of this stature and the project at hand..
JASON...according to Ayre this is a brand new way that the club is GOING to structure contracts. How do we know that Agger Skrtl Sturidge signed under this new structure ?
As per FSG you have given us here your honest opinion of Ayre btw I agree with u entirely ...now...who appointed Ayre to his post at the club...FSG John Henry...incompetency ? Think a greater degree of incompetency was displayed when this clown hung on to his job after te transfer window debacle with Andy C gone and his replacement BR's choice Dempsey swans off and signs for Spurs. FSG John Henry obviously considered he was STILL the man for the job ?
Sorry mate agree with much of what u say in u posts but Im not a fan of FSG AND their Business Model so for me Im with mel...FSG...OUT ! OUT !! OUT !!!
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I can't say I know for sure or have any proof that Agger and Skrtel did sign under that structure or not, but I think it would be a little naive not to think they don't get extra incentives for keeping clean sheets.. if nothing else, those would be very obvious and bare minimums for a CB..
Again, I think Ian Ayre is an idiot, and really above anyone else should really keep his mouth shut, because for all we know, based on recent events, he didn't even mean to say what he did, or said it out of context.. This is something that didn't need to be said, I very much think that and agree with that..
As far as who appointed him, well I think that's a question to be asked, but he more or less just slid into his position as we've had alot of turnover within in the business ranks.. Jen Cheng was supposed to be a massive addition to the club for PR and Marketing purposes, and he got into a twitter fight, used innapropriate verbage and got his ass canned from LFC so Ayre is sort of handling his job too.. Perhaps that's an ongoing search for someone to come in and really do a job, but just like manager and player, being part of this club, especially in it's current state of re-building, isn't one that every bloke is up for, or even interested in..
I was under some information amidst rumors that Ayre would be sacked prior to the window, that he absolutely would not, and would remain until the summer.. So far, it seems that info I got was spot on.. I think it could have been dangerous to remove him now because then we'd have scouting folks and someone else to promote, but I think come summer he really needs to be put under the scope, whether it be Henry, Werner or whoever is the endall , be all of those decisions..
As for the rest, I'm not trying to, and never will, attempt to sway you, or anyone here on FSG because while I understand and have seen what they've done, and from day 1 I did expect alot of this, and have explained it, and that it would not be fun nor liked/accepted, but at least I've been consistent with that theme.. I honestly can't say what the future holds and I know people are still coming to grips or even not wanting to accept certain things, I don't see them having deviating far from a plan I expected, and one they'll continue to do..
There may come a point where they do something I think is off the plan, or outside of the box where I think they should be, and I'll be right there to call them out, but unfortunately as they're going right now, I can't do it because again, it's what I expected.. I wish it was another way with oil rich pockets deep as could be, but even if that was the case I'm not sure they'd operate much different..
I've never seen a prem title unlike most of all of you, so this is equally painful for me, especially while I'm in a country surrounded by alot of idiots who just blindly support UTD and Chelsea just because.. at least you have the luxury of being around educated idiots, whereas I'm just surrounded by idiots.. Outside of the true American fan, or the British that live here and I meet/watch with, when I hear someone wearing a Utd shirt say Ronaldo or Beckham is their all time leading scorer, or LamPURD and DORbga as Chelsea's, all I can do is shake my head in disgust, hope and pray we get there soon..
Let's face it.. there may be plenty of billionaires out there, but they don't seem to be lining up purchasing any sports clubs anywhere at the moment, and even less seem to care about what they're buying.. City were attractive over us because of the stadium size alone.. That one aspect has been a turnoff, and is one I truly believe FSG hope to put right, whether it's them or someone else that see's it out..