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Just as the heading says..
Looking at results against weaker opposition Oldham in particular..
Our second string should've been good enough to thrash Oldham..
Yet it seems evident to me they're not even fit to play in the Championship let alone inthe EPL..
So I say again are our players good enough to play for us when we've plans to but up at the top..
Some aren't obviously. They can have all the skill in the world, but if they don't have the right mental attitude, it doesn't mean sh!t. I am thinking Coates, Borini looks lost, I'm worried about Allen's self- confidence, the full back positions are a major problem beyond the first team, and Stirling is out of his depth coz he needs a rest. Lucas' fitness is also a worry.
Don't under-estimate the size of the task confronting Rodgers. It will take time to fully overhaul the squad. We can't bring too many in at once, we have to grow as a unit and then hopefully, like the old days we just bring in one or two faces a season to continually improve the squad.
"Liverpool were very lucky to get a draw" - absolute bollocks. Liverpool should have been walked that match. It should have been 5-0 by half time. And yet another Arsenal player gets away with a blatant hand ball.
Just watched the game tonight and to be honest Ive no idea how we manged to get out of The Emirates without getting our clock cleaned Arsenal looked everything that BR says he wants us to be.
Reina was so flat footed on second goal he missed his vocation he should have been a bizzy ! The man looked very indecisive most of the evening. Its ok to criticise Jones for two blunders v Oldham but Reina was very nearly our undoing tonight I just think we have a serious goalkeeping crisis unfolding here and the lads at the back know it. When u are a player and u are forever on set pieces looking to see where u own goalkeeper is positioned u are not doing u job but its what happens when u own keeper makes u nervous.
Taking Sturridge off left us toothless up front Gerrard should have been played further forward at that point but was unable to because of Arsenals pressure. The thing that was plain to me all night long was the manner in which Arsenal used their possession as opposed to the way we did. I watched carefully as they made every effort to push the ball forward with every pass with the man running off the ball at speed...all round we lacked that speed didnt win the ball back quickly and our passing was slipshod... to be kind. We would come into possession and even when a quick break might be on we were pushing the ball backward sideways upside down inside out anything but FORWARD ???...Arsenals style of play reminded me of the old daze at Anfield when we would pour forward relentlessly and u always felt a goal was on but now..... I spose a point is a point and Im sure there will be plenty on this board who see something positive about the way we played tonight but sorry lads we again couldnt defend a TWO goal lead ? Other tha n thefact the whistle blew for full time and miraculously we have one point in the bag I cant see anything positive in this display . they clearly wanted it far more than we did tonight.
Colin - I get what you are saying, and I am no fan of Reina, but didn't be have a superb first half? Also he saved one in the second that would have put them 3-2 up. The lads played very well in the first half, but didn't respond to Arsenals predictable reaction in the second.
The main problem for me is we just cannot defend balls from the wide areas. Carra was at fault for the first goal letting his man get in front of him for an easy goal, and then they were about six shop window dummies on the second. At the end of the day, we all would have taken A draw at the Emirates. Disappointing in view of going two up, but it was a fair result in the end. I don't think Sturridge played particularly well and I agreed with the substitution, and after it, we got hold of the game a bit more. The same against City would be acceptable.
Actually Loki I'm not sure I do get what Colin is saying. I saw a display of real character last night, and if I compare this match to when Arsenal came to Anfield I'd say we've definitely moved forward.
I agree on your points on Reina. Second goal maybe he could have done better, but that was a laser shot, and he'd already saved our bacon a couple of times.
Seemed to me so long as we kept Arsenal narrow, despite all their possession they were of little threat and point in fact their goal came from a free kick and work down their right side. It’s interesting that BR said after the game he'd been trying to get Jose on between their goals as it was obviously a weakness that had developed as Luis ran out of steam.
I'd also agree that the switch was a good move, although at the time I wondered why we were taking off a striker for a defender. But in hindsight it shows BR knows more than me, as I think the last 15-20 minutes we looked much more likely to get the winner, as Arsenals only threatening possession seemed to come on the fast break.
Personally I feel confident going into the city match. It’s a tough ask to expect to take all 3 points from the champions away from home, but I'd say it’s doable. But it’s going to take a disciplined display like we saw last night. We got to take our chances, but also show character if or when things don't go exactly to plan.
dsteer ...Dave as u say Im not the manager so if Im frustrated by our performance Im going to vent on here. Its a very different thing when a fan calls out from the stand a players name and calls him a carthorse or a donkey or a muppet or what have u ...even worse when large sections of the crowd groan when the ball finds its way to a player who has found his way into their displeasure...but they are the paying fans and entitled to their ideas about the players.
IF I were the manager...no I wouldnt call these lads out in public but I might strongly express my dispeasure with the performance and attitude of a few of them behind closed doors. Where I do agree with BR is if he has genuinely identified some particular trait that has taken hold within a certain clique of players that he finds unhealthy for the club and is threatening those players with expulsion from the club unless they rapidly adjust their attitudes if this is the case then Im actually all for his attitude to let the public know all about this crew. Lets face it these lads are being afforded the chance to earn fortunes by the average working mans standards and earn that via doing exactlywhat so many other hundreds of thousands of us wish we had had the chance to do ...if they abuse that priviledge then they deserve all that BR and if necessary the heirarchy of FSG want to dole out too.
If ever their was proof that we should've signed Walcott then this game was it..
Had he been a LFC player just think of where we'd be in the table?
Sturridge, Suarez & Walcott would've been a dangerous attack line for defenders to deal with.
Colin, you think that it’s poor management to call out a player in public. Fair enough it’s your view.
However I do need to ask, if it’s bad form for a manager to be critical in public, why is it acceptable for the general public and you particularly to round on players, and actually call them out by name? I understand you’re not the manager so maybe not the best parallel, however it does imply you'd agree you'd make a crap manager.
Also, do you then think there were alternatives to getting both Jose and Downing back to top form? It’s a what if question so maybe there is no answer and we'll not know if either a hairdryer or a cuddle in private would have worked, however it’s hard to deny the tactic actually used actually worked. I wonder also if Allen would have stood up in public as he did today if he'd not been challenged in public.
Lastly, are you also saying that Harry Redknapp is also a poor manager, as I think it’s fair to say he went a lot further with his public utterings about his players than BR did? Personally I rate Harry. Not sure if he's going to be able to keep QPR up, but to be honest if he can't I’m not sure there is a manager around who could. But in my view it’s exactly the tactics he's been using to galvanize the squad, to weed out who is working for the cause and who is not, that is his and their clubs best chance at prem survival.
Forgive me all but I thought that when you turn 18, you become a man in this country. Didn't Brendan send out 11 men against Oldham? It seems to me so hypocritical to be talking about 'molly-coddled footballers' then when someone has a justifiable go at them outrage spills out from some quarters.
We need our boys to man-up, and man-up fast. If they're mortally offended by the dose of medicine they got from Brendan, then they can p!ss off to the lower leagues. Its a good managers role to apportion b0llockings when it is deserved, you cant endlessly praise otherwise complacency creeps in. Fear should be a motivating factor as well as the cuddle. I mean, its not worked out too badly for Fergie has it?
Don't get me wrong, the 3 envelope thing was an absolute pile of cr@p, but if you look at what Brendan has said compared to Harry Redknapp, it was sod all! If don't want to be treated like a turkey, then don't play like one!!
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