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  • Jason Jason Feb 1, 2013 20:37 Flag

    Andy.... It's time.. (sorry)

    I have nothing against the kid as a person, never did, but I never wanted him, I hated his purchase, and I never thought he'd cut it at Liverpool, especially when we'd been accustomed to some great players up top. I've always said this, even despite differences of opinion, so if nothing else, I've been consistent.

    Obviously the answer is no, but I have to ask, and yes it's sarcastic, hopefully the humor will be found too... Do you still think Andy Carroll will "come good" for Liverpool?

    I suppose the question is, which I personally don't, and can't imagine several others care, will he come good at WHU?

    What this does do (assuming he agrees to terms and wages or we get stuck with a taller heavier Joe Cole, with more hair, who has more goals btw), is free up another 60-70K in wages, and with whatever the end fee is, will go directly back into the chest for Rodgers to spend in the summer..

    And yes, Rodgers will be here in the summer. Considering we didn't add Ince, but presumably will, let's say Andy gets 15M, and FSG stump up another 20-30M, we could very well see ourselves adding one of the "ELITE" attacking players in Europe.

    Table wise, and Champions League wise, we are clearly not where we want to be yet, but after spending alot in January, compared to teams above us, and bigger ones in Europe even, further money available and us building a more skilled, talented and faster squad, will improve our chances of recruiting bigger and better names.. Perhaps it's ok to dream of XYZ player until Summer comes!

    Sorry Andy, perhaps a full time change in scenery and hairdo, will make him "come good" and score 30 goals..

    Obviously if David Sullivan is lying, or gave the interview from the pub, I need to discard this post.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/8461636/Transfer-news-Liverpool-and-West-Ham-have-Andy-Carroll-agreement

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    • " one of the "ELITE" attacking players in Europe.
      ".. Thats the problem isn't it..

      Other clubs could sign more than one ELITE player in Europe and we could barely afford one.. If thats the case..

      Just goes to show what paupers we have as owners at LFC..

      • 1 Reply to LFC_Armchair_Supporter
      • Maybe the math didn't add up..

        15M (guestimate) on Carroll, plus his wages saved, brings around 20M.. Cole and Sahin's wages gone, another 6-8M, then another 20-30M from the Owners.. aka the "paupers"..

        So, those numbers are roughly around 50M, give or take, and several world class players can be had for 20-30M.. then there are others in the 40+ range, and 50+ range.. Don't think we'll see many more of those in years to come.. So say we spend 25+ on ONE, add Ince, and add another for 15-20M, that's again roughly 50M spent.. for 3 players. Not enough I suppose?

        I also suppose, us, LFC & FSG, spending 20.5M, third behind QPR 22.4M and Newcastle 20.5M, on multiple players, vs our 2, really shows what "Paupers" they are.. Even though City spent almost 0, Spurs spent 0, Chelsea spent 8M, Everton spent 3M..

        Perhaps when making a comment of how many "elite" we can buy, vs other clubs, you should take into account, what other clubs already have at their disposal, while we've been rebuilding for only 1 season under a new manager..

        Chelsea can afford to buy 2, because they may only need 2, same for United and City.. We need several more players, and they can't all be the "ELITE" costs because you can't build a squad for the present and future by buying just one player..

        Eh, I continue to ask myself why I bother..

        Anyways, goodbye Andy, I hope. (sorry to those who don't like that)..

    • ..........Oh, and Sofa, go tell Oldham that the reason they trounced us was due to a better board, better manager, better, more expensive players and a bigger stadium. See what I´m saying??

    • Armchair - as ever your answer reveals a lot about your mentality, and sadly your intelligence

      £200 million is not that much to spend on a footballer today? Really?? As far as I'm aware, the record is Ronaldo for £80 mil, with the economic climate that wont be broken any time soon.

      Then you advocate spending 100 million on 2 players!

      You totally ignored my question about how many players of £30 million + have City, Chelsea and yeah let's throw in United have signed.

      The bragging rights comment is exactly what I would expect from someone who doesn't go the game. Only trophies matter, and taking the p!ss out of the blue sh!tes or Mancs doesn't give me much joy if they end up finishing above us!

      Then, unbelievably, you say 'there is another way of being top dog and that's to spend less money on better players.' !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Just exactly what the f*ck do you think the club have been trying to do? Sometimes there is a global shaking of the head at what you write! Do you ever think about what you are writing????? Perhaps you should......otherwise you will continue to have less intelligence than the botulism pathogen!

    • jason...just read and I quote ..."Andy Carrol in his first match since November lead the West Ham front line superbly the whole match heading the only goal of the game in the 77th minute."
      Thoughts ?

    • jason...irregardless of how Andy fares rest oif this season think it highly likely he will end up back with us...just dont see WHU matching the salary he is on with us . I still see him as the great...PLAN B evenif only coming off the bench. WHU have an agreement to buy but it doesnt inc Andy having to sign for them and I assume he is going to want more or less same money to within say a thou or so of his current with us.
      What I see as a pos alternative is the loan being extended and no transfer clause at all simply to save his wages and save face for BR ...Which I think would be a mistake for the club and BR who should be big enough to put any bad feeling behind him and Andy and try and nurture Andy into becoming the player Kenny obviously thought he would be ...who knows maybe by end of this season we will be glad to have him back if he shows good form...Swansea are nobodys mugs and WHU were well out of form last result before this 501 whupping from Arsenal..Andy comes back for them and ...WHUMP from the forehead and 3 pts in the bag...would that we had have him startat Oldham hed have sorted out that big lump of a centre forward they had ...u recall the way he defended set pieces ? You think that big lump would have been able to push him around ?

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      • Colin, the fact is, the game we play now is all dependant on mobility of players and I'm afraid Carroll will not have that mobility as long as he's got a hole in his @rse. He doesn't have the pace either. To be fair, I wanted him to be given more of a chance but he hasn't so as far as I am concerned he is no longer a liverpool player. He should also have played the full 90 in the cup final, but hey-ho. It's not to be!

        If we flog him for the reported £18 mil then we can have another class forward for the same bunce in Damaio who would fit our game to a tee! Anyone who saw the Olympics could see that and I think he will be a star-striker someday soon whoever he plays for. Spurs won't be back in for him either it's said.

    • What I'm saying Loki is that the rich clubs in this world wouldn't wouldn't sweat at spending £200m on players..

      Thats my point.. Messi for example went for over £100m + wages..

      What I was getting at in terms of "bragging rights" is there's 2 ways to look at it. Either buying the top players and show them off and the fans of that club then bragging on who they signed. The other way is to be clever and sign players for clever deals and they then turn out to be good.. case in point Torres & Saurez.. both their values shot up when with us.. Torres' value more or less doubled in price when we sold him.. Suarez's value too looks to have doubled since we aquired him..

      Yes i can see what the club is trying to do.. They're buying them young and hopefully will improve enough so their value doubles so if a big offer comes along they more than likely will be moved on.. Then the ball starts rolling again..

    • Sofa...what a sickening saga for the real fans though eh ? Ideally we sign someone bargain basement nurture them a little and they turn out to be superstars but barring injury they mature with us and spend their whole career with us and we have as we used to have a virtually telepathic squad of TEAM PLAYERS who are super-talented..or we are essentially just a corner shop open all hours as a feeder club in the future for the BIG 4

    • Miguel FFP is like a toothless animal.. it has no bite..

      Yes LFC / FSG are trying to run a tight ship.

      However other clubs seem to be taking the piss and spend willy nilly and they don't seem to be sanctioned by FIFA..

      So what good are their rules if they're not taken seriously?

      So yes I do feel like saying sod it.. If other clubs are taking the piss out of FFP rules and get away with it then we should too..

      Of course I'm not saying lets get into huge debt and buy top players and to hell with going under.

      I'm saying lets get in a few star names.. to maybe encourage the younger players to aspire to be great players too..

      Tell me other than Suarez who have we got that is truly exceptional?

      Yes we need to clear out players who aren't pulling their weight.. Afterall LFC is a business and not a charity..

    • sofa...did u see Andy in the European cup of nations the goal he scored v Sweden ? Did u see him when he came on in FA CUP FINAL v Chelski and THE GOAL that the ref said he didnt score ,? One thing a lot never noticed about Andy was the way just like Suarez now that he would "tackle back" and always be there to defend set pieces and corners...the way he held the ball up was often superb it wasnt his fault if others werent at the time mobile enough to get in support of his hold ups. It wasnt his fault he didnt score too often nobody seems to mention the complete lack of service for the lad from those who were bought to supply it ??!

    • He does offer us another option.. Thing is BR doesn't see it that way otherwise he'd still be in the team. It's not as if we're awash with strikers is it?

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