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  • Loki Loki Mar 19, 2013 19:53 Flag

    Bad day at the office

    Colin, don't you think he DID read the riot act to them? I think also it convinced Rodgers that Skrtel is not going to have much of a future at Anfield and will be sold this summer. He will even have had a private word with Agger and one or two others about their unacceptable performance. I just think that we are making progress as a team and as a club. With the necessary backing and with the way we play I think we will go places. The hardest part is instilling that willing mentality that was so painfully missing at Soton. Look at United, I don't think they are anywhere near the level of the past, but they win so many games playing badly shows how important that winning mentality is. I think the hardest thing in football is to change mind-sets of players, and to be fair to Rodgers, all previous managers after Kenny have not been able to instil that mentality into the team, in the league anyway.

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    • Colin, i think you're right, Yahoo couldn't have f*cked up these boards any more than they have. Anyway in reply to your post.......

      I don't think Fergie is a great example for you to pull out of the bag here. He didn't develop that mentality, he had it from the start, and yet his team didnt and was not successful in the league for 7 seasons. That's right -7! They were so behind us for a few seasons after he took over you needed a telescope to see them. Now the roles are reversed.

      Rodgers hasn't even had a season and yet you are expecting miracles that even Jesus would find hard to do! We will stumble, we will fall on our @rses sometimes, but if the league started at Christmas, wouldnt we be third? The problem for us this season was the transition at the beginning, and we are suffering for that still. Like I said, Fergie FAILED in the league for 7 years. In fact, if it wasnt for Mark Robins - may Satan have special tortures in place for him when he pegs it - Fergie would have been sacked. He wasnt, the board at that sh!thole were patient, and look at them now.......Rodgers has exactly the same brief Fergie had, but on an even more uneven playing field (coz of the finances). I am prepared to give Rodgers at least one more season because of this, but you don't seem to see the benefit of patience were Rodgers is concerned at all. Listen, if we change managers every 5 minutes, then we will NEVER get into the top 4, let alone have a decent pop at the league.

    • Good discussion here being effed up by this forum format. Scream!

      I certainly hope Rodgers did. To his credit he did it after the Oldham debacle. It reminded me of Kenny saying that players wont be here long if they turn up like that. I hope he was right.

      I too never want to see or hear of another performance like that. People may say that there's nothing to play for. Rubbish. They have a / HAD a real opportunity of pushing for a European spot. That was largely in their control, something they could aim for. It just needed the application and effort. It's a missed opportunity and that riles me more than anything. Nothing hurts me more than upon reflection you have the question of "if I'd only" lingering in your mind.

      I just get a horrible feeling that there's a nasty little under current running through the squad somewhere. We've seen and heard hints of it and I think we've suffered some poor performances beacuse of it.

    • Loki...Im prepared to give Rogers time Ive posted that up but what Im not preparedto accept and Im being specific here is performances the like of that at Southampton again. Quite seriously mate Ive been supporting our club more than 55yrs and can honestly say I never saw such a pathetic performance as I witnessed v Southampton last weekend. Please dont think Im one of these fair weather fans who is happy when we winning and instantly critical the moment any result just doesnt go our way. Of course there are going to be ups and downs but it was the manner of this particular down that has so upset me....with perhaps the exceptions of Louis Suarez (who's head NEVER seems to go down) young Couhtino and Brad between the sticks none of em looked proud to wear the shirt and frankly there were certain culprits I think Id be VERY tempted to demote them to the reserves and let them ply their trade their until the appetite and skills of top professionals returned and if it didnt become apparent that it was returning theyd be shown the door ! I have to say this display actually made me feel angry that our lads could put on the shirt and then fail so abysmally to perform ....did u not at a certain point in the game suspectthat we justmight be in for a cricket score club record drubbing ? If that had happened what is that going to do to the confidence of some of these young players ? BUT they must be made fully aware that this kind of thing can NEVER be allowed to happen to a Liverpool side again.
      Rogers job is to make sure it doesnt happen again and he must be held at least partially responsible for the fact that it did. SAF came from Aberdeen as Im sure u know and had created there a side that finally broke the monopoly of The Auld Firm no easy job back then particularly when it had to be done on a shoe string budget. SAF's first seven seasons at Old Toilet brought final placings of 4th 11th 2nd 11th 13th 6th 2nd and finally The League Championship . This was in the old First Division comprising 22 teams. Im not confident Rogers is going to be our SAF I feel we still have to find thatman but I will support his ideas for the club but I suspect that he just isnt a good man manager andcertainly isnt feared by the players which any great manager should be imo...canu imagine coming off the pitch at Southampton last weekend knowing the man waiting for u inthat dressing room was none other than the great Mr Bill Shankly !!! Do u think u would have been reflecting on just who might among u have played worse than u self inthe hope that u werent to be viewed as the worst culprit ? of course during the reign of Bill Shankly we would never have seen a display like that.

    • The reason the mindset at Old Toilet is correct and fixed is simple three letters SAF. Its Rogers job HIS JOB to make sure his squad starters and bench are to a man fired up and ready to roll before EVERY game not 3 out of five or whatever. I have no idea if he read them the riot act or not I simply think he SHOULD have. LOKI I want success for our club to return asap just as u do we are supporters but SOMETHING is wrong mate we have consistently over recent yrs had far too many of what I call "salary mercenaries" lads all too ready to hang their heads down early on if things dont go our way and are not willing to fight to claw back the initiative in a game when necessary but all too ready to run down the bank first thing Monday morning to check their balance has increased...Mr Shankly would have probably had these lads thinking that their world was going to END before they could get anywhere nr the bank on monday morning...it was a shocking display and I hope I never have to witness another such pityfully spineless display.

    • Loki...Im prepared to give Rogers time Ive posted that up but what Im not preparedto accept and Im being specific here is performances the like of that at Southampton again. Quite seriously mate Ive been supporting our club more than 55yrs and can honestly say I never saw such a pathetic performance as I witnessed v Southampton last weekend. Please dont think Im one of these fair weather fans who is happy when we winning and instantly critical the moment any result just doesnt go our way. Of course there are going to be ups and downs but it was the manner of this particular down that has so upset me....with perhaps the exceptions of Louis Suarez (who's head NEVER seems to go down) young Couhtino and Brad between the sticks none of em looked proud to wear the shirt and frankly there were certain culprits I think Id be VERY tempted to demote them to the reserves and let them ply their trade their until the appetite and skills of top professionals returned and if it didnt become apparent that it was returning theyd be shown the door ! I have to say this display actually made me feel angry that our lads could put on the shirt and then fail so abysmally to perform ....did u not at a certain point in the game suspectthat we justmight be in for a cricket score club record drubbing ? If that had happened what is that going to do to the confidence of some of these young players ? BUT they must be made fully aware that this kind of thing can NEVER be allowed to happen to a Liverpool side again.
      Rogers job is to make sure it doesnt happen again and he must be held at least partially responsible for the fact that it did. SAF came from Aberdeen as Im sure u know and had created there a side that finally broke the monopoly of The Auld Firm no easy job back then particularly when it had to be done on a shoe string budget. SAF's first seven seasons at Old Toilet brought final placings of 4th 11th 2nd 11th 13th 6th 2nd and finally The League Championship . This was in the old First Division comprising 22 teams. Im not confident Rogers is going to be our SAF I feel we still have to find thatman but I will support his ideas for the club but I suspect that he just isnt a good man manager andcertainly isnt feared by the players which any great manager should be imo...canu imagine coming off the pitch at Southampton last weekend knowing the man waiting for u inthat dressing room was none other than the great Mr Bill Shankly !!! Do u think u would have been reflecting on just who might among u have played worse than u self inthe hope that u werent to be viewed as the worst culprit ? of course during the reign of Bill Shankly we would never have seen a display like that.