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  • dsteer_lfc_68 dsteer_lfc_68 Mar 21, 2013 18:26 Flag

    Joe Allen

    There is no doubt he's had a dip in form from the beginning of the season when I personally was very excited by his fluid play. Whether that is down to an inability to play alongside Lucas or the injury or a combination of both I don't know.

    But I would point out two recent observations in his defense. First last weekend against the Saints there is no doubt he was poor, but then can someone tell me who was better than average last Saturday? With no one standing out for a good reason, a number of players doing the opposite, I'm not sure it’s fair to point out that performance as say he can't cut it. Put it this way, did we do any better in the second half when he was replaced by Lucas?

    Second I'd look at the Spurs match when imo the bringing on of Allen was actually a major factor in swinging the result to us. Second half we could not get the ball to stick. To be honest I was afraid when Coutinho was pulled for Allen as it was clearly taking off an attacking player for someone to sit in the middle. But while we never looked at our best, after Allen came on we gain more control of the ball, and therefore dictated much more of the overall play.

    So have a go at the lad if you like, at times in the second half of the season I'd say it’s been appropriate to call him out, but also be balanced when the lad actually does make a more positive contribution.

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    • If the question was "is Joe Allen any good" I'd say "yeah, he's ok as a useful squad player". But if the question was "is Joe Allen worth £15 M" I'd have to say "Hmmmm I very much doubt it". The previous manager got pilloried for splashing £35 M on Andy Carroll when the Torres cash was sloshing arround and rightly so. Carroll was / is good, but not that good....and so is the case with Joe Allen, the slight difference being that when Joe was bought the cash was in very short supply. In fact to "crash the cash" on ex- Swansea "stars" Allen @£15 M and Borrini @£10 M has IMO proved not to be a very sensible decision at all 'cos neither has delivered very much. In fact, based on this past form, if I was John Henry I would seriously consider banning Brendan from going back to Swansea to buy a "hat-trick" of "stars" in bidding for Ashley Williams. If, however, we went for Laudrup it would be a different matter, but then I'm ever the cynic!
      Mr Glum.

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      • Ron J ...IN 100% agreement with u ..no way FSG should give Rogers any more money to go back shopping fo ex players of his when at Swansea both Borini and Allen have proved to be a bust...enough of all this Swansea shyte. To be frank dont honestly feel Laudrup would be much if any better than Rogers. Similar amount of cash spent on Couhtino and Sturridge looks like it might pay dividends...So Im with u stay the hell away from Swansea. If we want something in the middle lets fessup the cash and bring in Chris SAMBA !

      • The problem with the "worth" argument is that it’s so subjective. What's a tin of beans worth?

        For me what the price tag is goes out the window as soon as the money has left the account. At that point it becomes completely irrelevant, and the only relevant question is, does he make us better or not. If you want to put money into the equation, then best to look at is the player worth what we pay him each week not what his transfer fee was, as it’s a sunk cost.

        Based on that question, it really comes down to whether Allen's level is what we saw in the first half of the season, or the second half. If the first then I'd say yes he's worth keeping. He's as you say a neat and tidy player, distributes very well, and allows us to keep control of the ball. However in most matches, especially where a bit of steel is in order given the choice I'd put Lucas ahead of him, but I still think he has a place and worth keeping. What are we paying the lad?

        To look at this in equal measure for Carroll then to be fair the 35M has to be disregarded (which I've said before, including last season) as while it may have been a silly amount the money is gone, and so is irrelevant. The question is would he make the team better, and or is he worth his weekly pay packet. Based on that, the answer would seem to be no, and even more so now. He could play our current system, but his best advocate would be hard pressed to say it was the ideal system for him, and with our current attacking players does anyone really think he'd get much more than a few cup starts? Based on that, he's not really helping the team, and hardly worth his reported weekly compensation.

        But if we insist on looking at the transfer fee, then let's at least think of some parallels other than Carroll for comparison. For example was Henderson worth 16M in his first season? What about now? Not sure, what about in 3 seasons from now? Just to show why I put it that way, how many honestly thought Lucas was worth 9M in his first season, his second, or even his third? How many now think 9M six years ago (which might be closer to 12 or even 15M today with football inflation!) was a waste of money?