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  • dsteer_lfc_68 dsteer_lfc_68 Apr 3, 2013 15:30 Flag

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    Colin, care to point out who you think those malingerers are? I'm not saying you’re wrong that we don't have some players who it would be better to move on for the sake of the entire squad, but to be honest I have seen an improvement in terms of effort by players this season over the last several seasons.

    I posted this earlier, but I do think, and do agree with Colyn that there has been some coasting by players in recent seasons. For me this started under Rafa in his last couple season with a number of players brought in on wages more based on what they'd done in the past than what they could do for us in the present. It continued and maybe accelerated under Hodgson, and while in a number of cases I think KK tried to address this issue (loaning out Cole for example) I do think it’s fair to say BR has been proactive on this front and called out publically those who he thinks are not putting in total effort.

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    • WILLIAMS...NO THANKYOU...no matter who he plays for right now. CHRIS SAMBA ..yes please. BR track record with purchases of ex players hes managed at Swansea Allen (potentially a bust) 15 mill Borini (no comment) 10 and a half mill...Please lets stay away from Williams ! Dont think I want to comment on who I think might be malingerers but come end of season we will all know pretty quickly I think...

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      • Colin, this maybe because of the new and not improved Yahoo format but I'm a bit confused by your reply as it seems to address a post on a different thread talking about the wisdom of buying players from Swansea.

        What I was asking was who you thought in the current squad are malingerers, and therefore we should get shot of this summer because they may have a bad influence on the squad as a whole. You only mention two from our current squad Borini, who I know you don't rate (while I'm yet to rate), but do you also see him as a lazy player who is having a bad influence on the rest of the squad? Are you also therefore putting Allen in that lazy bracket, and also a potential bad influence?

        Personally I'm not sure I see it, and in the case of Borini not seen much at all. I think it is fair to say Allen's form has dropped way off what he did last term at Swansea, what he did for team GB, and what he did in the first half of the season with us, but even when poor I'm not sure I can fault his effort. Same for Borini. One line I've heard describing the Italian (not sure if this was yours or maybe another of his distractors) was that "he runs around like a chicken with its head cut off" which I'm not sure from what I saw I agree with, but if it is an apt description, not really fair to call him lazy at the same time is it?

        Again maybe you were addressing a different post, in which case "thanks again" Yahoo for creating confusion.

    • Good to see we're in agreement here guys. I also think it goes way back and Rodgers tactics / formations have exposed the problem and it's a bigger issue than previously. Rodgers himself hinted at something and to me there's a number of players that have almost fallen off the radar. Suso for example.

      My comment on the outs being more difficult comes from twop areas. Firstly those that Rodgers feels have let him down or cant achieve what he wants and secondly and more interesting are those that will make way for replacements who are supposed to take you to the next level. At the moment we have a squad good enough for X. We obviously want X+Y

    • Dstter_lfc agreed with you that our past managers bought the players considering the reputation of players and not as per our tactics or style of play. KK did the job differently but TBH he bought in-form players rather than class and result is in front of us. These players never recover after blip in their form though Downie & Hendo lately improved a lot. Still, what a mess of 70 milion for the likes of AC, Hendo & Downing (I think these three combined should not be valued for more than 30 milion)

      What I like about BR is that he knows what sort of players he need and he is buying players with patience and do not make any rush to buy silly players at inflated price. True, it cost him a striker because of this in the beginning of the season, but still he managed to implement his tiki-taka football and with the inclusion of DS & Coutinho we are getting the results. In summer also I believe BR will go for 3 players only but with those players, I still believe we will defo be in CL in 14-15.

      Regarding our first half of the season, we were short of a striker and hence could not convert ample chances, that resulted in so many draw games which we should have won with current inclusion.

      LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING STATS
      Before December P14 W3 L4 D7
      After December P17 W10 L5 D2

      Because we were short of a striker at the start, we had as many as 7 draw in 14 games. But afterwards we are doing better than expected.

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      • To be fair to managers, while they rightly take responsibility for failure in recruiting the right players it’s not likely many if any managers these days can really be held to account for the prices paid for transfers or wages. Most clubs identify transfer targets by committee these days, and while the manager may have the loudest voice in this process, his is not the only voice. Additionally I doubt it’s BR, KK or any manager at any club who is on the phone with agents or other clubs' chairman haggling over money.

        So by that logic it may be unfair to have a go at KK for the price paid for Carroll, Henderson and Downing, but it would be fair to say whether they were the right players to fit the squad. Now obviously KK was building a very different style of team than BR, but in the case of Carroll I think it may be fair game to ask was he the perfect foil for Suarez, and considering how well we've seen Suarez interchange with more mobile players like Sterling, Coutinho or even Stevie, I think it may be fair criticism. But on Hendo and Dowie I actually think time has proven them to be good fits. It maybe debatable whether we paid over the odds for them, but as I said before that is criticism I think that should be aimed just as much if not more at the likes of Damion Comolli, Ian Ayre, and maybe even Mr. Henry himself.

        On the first half versus the second half I tend to agree with you, and do think the lack of a major attacking threat beyond Suarez may have caused many of those draws. But I'd also point to some issues at the back being part of the cause also. A number of those draws resulted from games we had the lead in but lost after silly mistakes at the back. So that combined with both the lack of belief and experience to come back into games, and possibly the lack of a quality impact player available on the bench in the first half took its toll.