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  • colin colin Apr 7, 2013 13:27 Flag

    The Ashley Williams debate

    Colyn...read yesterday quite an extensive article on a RCB who plays for a Brazilian club side hes been voted player of the yr by his clubs fans and is evidently thought of very highly in Brazil and a shoe in for RCB for the national side sorry cant remember the guys name it was in the football news on this thing here yesterday...think it might have been Gremio he plays for I think his name is DEDE but not sure check it out his club are in need of money and will sell but the price was 15 mill Euros...Arsenal have been watching him and evidently so have we ...he certainly sounds like a far better prospect than another Swansea deadleg but watch lay odds Rogers goes back to the Swansea well of ex players hes managed and gives close to double 15 mill euros for Williams and Arsenal take this guy DEDE who sounds like a very exciting and VERY competent player.

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    • Colin - so you're recommending we buy a guy who can't speak English and expect him to be the teams general? I have no problem with us buying a foreign centre back be ause I suspect we'll need 2 anyway, but one of then must be a fluent speaker and he must be more vocal than the goddam birds that wake me up at 6 every morning! I just don't get how you don't realise with Carra going how crucial this aspect is going to be next season. It is not just ability that we need to be looking at - that's why for me Williams ticks those boxes.

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      • Loki, I'm on the fence when it comes to Williams. As pointed out earlier at this point while he may tick a number of boxes to the good, it is only paper talk and we also don't know yet who might also become available over the next couple months.

        However, if I look at what we need, as a replacement for Carra, and an upgrade for CB my preference is to go with a British player or at least either a native English speaker or someone who has a strong command of the language. Second is go with someone with real experience at the top level. Ideally from the prem, but at least a top European league and ideally some experience either at international level or top club level that would give him some insight on what is expected in the English game. Third is proven leadership. Not necessarily a team captain, but someone who knows what it takes to marshal a back line, and will not be afraid to yell at those around him to work their assignments.

        A minimum level of technical ability is obviously required, but it’s not the only attribute we should consider. For example, look at Collins yesterday. He's not a top technical player, but he knows how to get the job done, and make sure those around him do their job also. He spent over 70% of his time yesterday on his heels giving his team a chance, and that is the quality we need.

      • Loki...no idea why u assume a 24 yr old Brazilian would not speak English its quite likely he would speak Spanish as well as his own native Portugese. Therefore of our starters he could communicate well to..Reina, Enrique, Couhtino ( Brazilian ,native Portugese speaker ) Suarez, Lucas (Brazilian , native Portugese speaker ) So not too bad for starters but then he may very well speak good english too. Either way he sounds like ten times the player Williams is...againwe see this bias towards all things Rogers eg Williams...there are some hot prospects out there that will come in way cheaper than Williams so why the bias towards buying him in other than the "follow my leader" mentality eg IR(ogers)WT ? btw nothing to say about our performance today v Big Sam's lot ?

    • Looks like we've missed out on Dede, there are a few sites saying he has gone to another Brazilian club for under 5mil. I guess he probably wants to stay in Brazil until after the world cup ala Neymar.