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We are in 2 camps here - the so-called IRWT brigade - something of a misnomer but I'll run with it, and those that aren't. In the last week or so, I have read 4 ex- players give endorsements to what Rodgers is trying to do. Jan, Aldo, Smithy and Craig Johnston have all basically said we are on the right track. I was wondering what the thoughts are of the people on the other side of the fence think about this. Are the ex players wrong to think this way and why?
I'm gonna do an Armchair and answer my own thread! Aldo today said we needed Andy Carroll on Sunday! So that screws my thread doesn't it?
For the record, I have no problems with Andy being part of our squad, but I just don't see him accepting being a bit part member with the World Cup coming up next year. Also I am not convinced that he and Suarez work well together having seen them play together often. Who can forget Suarez on the touchline in the CC final last year and Carroll stood still on the D not even making a run?
Loki...Aldo was of the 4 ex players a ..striker and a damned good one for us after Rushie left for Juve I would respect his view on matters of...strikers. You by contrast go as it seems u always do these days with the view of Rogers..." He doesnt suit my style of play." I think any of us can acknowledge that Rogers has implemented certainmeasures that are beneficial to te club integrating all the levels of the club right down through the Academy to play the same system. However many of us ...check out other fan forums...are not convinced by his total reliance on tiki taca as the only mode to employ against all opposition...u by contrast seem again to parrot the Rogers Party Line. I like many feel we have NO PLAN B and believe we NEED one quite desperately because if we had one we wouldnt have lost at Stoke wouldnt have been played off the park at Southampton would have won at Arsenal wouldnt have lost to Villa at home and wouldnt have drawn0.0 with WHU...BUT ...Rogers thinks we dont need any Plan B. Presumably u agree whole heartedly with him.
- 1 Reply to colin
Colin - I have never said that we don't need alternate tactics - ever. I don't think I could have been clearer on the issue of Carroll. We lost at Stoke because we don't have the players for a physical battle, that's why I have been advocating we buy someone like Diame of West Ham, a big brute who can play a bit. Why did we need a plan B at Arsenal when we were 2 up? What happened there was individual mistakes, nothing to do with tactics. The Villa and Soton games we were just poor, it happens to every team!
You should know that the last time I had blind faith in a manager was Kenny's first stint. I don't agree with everything they do - including Rodgers - but I see a bigger picture and we can't be cured of the many diseases that's infected the club for decades in one season like you and Armchair seem to think. It's still gonna take another 2 seasons before we are ready to compete for the title and that is provided the following happens
1) we stick with one manager
2) no unsuccessful purchases
3) the owners give enough money to get the class of player we need
4) we get top 4 next year
PS you still haven't answered me on the centre-back general question!
A few interesting things said on here, I'd like to disagree with some of them!
Loki/Colyn - I don't think that a change in manager will take us back to square one, Rodgers has said himself that if the board decide he isn't the right man then someone else can come in and build on systems he has put in place. We shouldn't be scared to get rid of the manager, not that I think we should right now.
Colin - I've never actually seen Liverpool play 'tici-taca', I'd like to know what the highest number of passes are that have then led to a goal, I don't think it would be very many. Steven Gerrard seems to have been given the freedom to play 'hollywood' balls whenever he see's fit, defiantly not tici-taca. on Andy Carroll, he had all of last season to try and prove he could be part of a plan A, he was rubbish most of the time. Not good enough for LFC as a plan B, C or D.
I'm in a controversial mood, here is an article where former Liverpool player Danny Murphy backs Roy Hodgson as Liverpool Manager http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8779076.stm
They'll say anything to get in the papers! :)
- 1 Reply to Aurelio
Yes Ok Aurelio, good and very fair point but what we musn't do is get another manager with a completely different philosophy to Rodgers. Rodgers said that too. That would be a dsaster in my opinion but someone who will take what Rodgers has done and move it forward fine. Although I would personally actually stick with what we have for now and look carefully at where the weaknesses are and address those through support from within. That could be people, money or whatever.
Loki, while I respect the views of ex-players, or anyone else who might have a more detailed view of the club than the general bystander, I still see them as opinions. Just as pundits are not always right, I don't view someone view no matter who they are as gospel.
But instead I'd rather trust my own eyes, and they tell me that we've not only progressed from last season, but have progressed during this season, which tells me we're on the right path. So for me BR is doing something right, and so long as it continues, I take the view don't fix won't ain't broke.