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"Why should FSG allow Rodgers to make LFC his experiment just so he can gain experience?" - Is it not their experiment? They appoint the manager and the types of player we bring in are heavily influenced by their philosophy.
"We need a seasoned manager who knows his stuff and knows what it's like to win titles." Like who? Rafa Benitez? Roy Hodgson? Kenny Dalglish? Thats 3 managers all experienced and all won titles, did that do the trick for us?
"I've no idea what BS Rodgers said to Henry but it was clearly good enough to con him. I'm now thinking would we have been better off with Martinez? Then again I'd have neither of them and gone with Villas Boas. He's doing well at Spurs. We missed a trick there by not getting him.."
Martinez and AVB, 1 portugese league title between them and both combined been in the managerial game for less then BR.
Slate the manager all day long, you have to have some logic to it though!
Hobitez ..another question , who has Rogers added to the squad via his transfer dealings since he arrived that has made it a better squad ? Couhtino...yes perhaps. Allen..NO ! Borini ..NO ! Assaidi..NO ! Sturridge..NO ! Now he wants 12 mill to bring in another Swansea deadleg a 28 yr old deadleg too in Williams and he will be another defo NO ! So for the most part whos team is this..Id suggest KK's.
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When Rodgers adds 3 or more world class players to the squad and the dross is gone then it's RODGERS team. As Colin says the squad is pretty much made up of KD's. Rodgers needs to quickly stamp his identity on the team. As of yes he hasn't IMO. I still maintain LFC just haven't time to waste in having a manager who is wanting an experimental project. With an experimental manager in Rodgers. We need a manager with a clear vision and knows what he wants for the club. Also I'm fed up of Rodgers being clueless when we face teams who just "park the bus". The man does need more experience but LFC needs someone who is more experienced than Rodgers.
Got a bit of a brain teaser as a response for you Colin. Who should get credit for a player when he's bought by one manager but only starts to impress under another?
There is no doubt a number of KK's signings have looked the business this term, such as Downing, Henderson, and even Suarez who despite his great play since he came to us had been wasteful in front of goal till this season. But who gets the credit, the man who signed them or the man who's coached them?
If we take your advice and send BR packing, but the likes of Sturridge turns into a 15 plus goal scoring next term who gets the credit? For all we know, shoulder taken care of Allen could actually turn out to be the Welsh Xavi, and while I know you highly doubt this, just maybe without a broken foot we might see what earned Borini a spot at the Euros with Italy, but again will that be a credit to BR for buying him, or however you think should replace him?
Just another thought about giving credit where its due. I do think BR deserves some credit for progress this term, but also think credit goes to some key positions he's filled. For example fitness, sports medicine and youth development. The latter maybe we won't see for a while, but who should be given credit for the fact Stevie has played every game in the league this season and that Agger has been available almost for the entire season. Both I think have never happened before.
So you're prepared to give KK's signings two years when they were pants for 18 months of that while Rodgers signings are pants from Day 1?
However, I'll agree with you that Borini has a lot of work to do to impress me. Lucas did as well to be honest and I'm still not 100% convinced. The stats say otherwise though. No idea what the story on Assaidi is. Disappeared as has Suso.
Still too early for Sturridge but he did start extremely well while Coutinho is making all the right noises.
I'll bow to your knowledge of Williams. I haven't seen enough to comment.
I honestly don't think that anyone could do a mucetter job with the resources available. The rick for me is to build.
Hobitez...my logic..... results and the football we have been playing this last month the awful inconsistency that plagues this side that derives zero inspiration from their manager inanimate on the sideline. There is a problem some kind of weird undercurrent running through this squad and it needs to be dealt with and Rogers aint the man to deal with it. I believe its there primarily because of him and his style of management. I think despite all the well publicised kick-up-the- #$%$ hes sposed to have given certain players this same tactic isnt working with others hence this weird undercurrent in the squad and I think this is the main reason for the inconsistency in our form. Its HIS JOB to address such problems and I dont think hes doing it. This is a problem of "attitude" where certain members of the squad are concerned.
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I'm trying to see your logic here Colin. I don't always agree with you (but I don't always disagree), but I do always try to see where you’re coming from.
I would say there has been a long standing undercurrent of underachievement at the club, but that has been in place well before BR came on board, and so will take longer than a single season to eradicate. Arguably that flatter to deceive undercurrent has been there for over 2 decades.
But what are you talking about specifically over the last month. In that time we lost 2 in a row I grant you, and that is not results I think we should put up with, but is two losses signs of some systemic undercurrent? Look at the month before that and it was 5 wins on the trot, what does that tell us?
No thinking along the lines of Manchini that calibre.. Hodgson is #$%$ and KD had been out of the game too long. Had KD still been a manager at the very top when we appointed him that would've been different. We got a KD that hadn't been a manager for many years. He was out of touch and it showed. So you approve of a manager trying to cut his teeth at a top club like ours then? There's plaent y of candidates out there that would've been perfect for us.. it's just dangling the carrot in front of them to get them. Villias Boas has been great with Spurs just the man we needed. Yes manybe that contracts my statement about wanting someone with expererience. He's the exception to the rule. We missed a trick there by not getting him. He never was suited for Chelsea but at a club like Spurs & LFC he'd have more freedom.