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  • Jason Jason Apr 23, 2013 13:09 Flag

    TEN match ban?

    Defoe was given a yellow card in that match, as the ref had seen it and felt at the time it warranted a card, so the FA decided not to interject, and from my understanding Defoe was given no ban because of the ref's decision and card.

    In this instance, the ref had not seen it, did not issue a yellow card, so the FA has free reigns to give any ban they deem necessary. And unfortunately, whether any of us likes it or not, or accepts it or not, his prior indiscretions will play a factor, so a ban for the remainder of this season only seems very unlikely, with something around 8 - 10 games looking very possible.

    I'd love to say 5 and another hefty fine, and hope for that, but I doubt it, and sometimes I'm not sure he'll learn his lesson. I don't care what player, or what team, or what anyone else says, there's no room for BITING in any professional sport, especially not twice..

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    • Jason its the wiggle free rule for the FA, if the ref includes something in the match report they can turn a blind eye, but if not they can do what they like. Personally I don' have a problem with Suarez getting a hefty ban, or there being a difference between the Defoe case and this one (would seem they got it wrong in the past considering the hand wringing over Suarez), but I do wish the FA would at least try to be consistent.

      However I do think the calls for 10 or more games are a bit extreme. We I think were all disgusted at the time, and I don't think anyone is saying Suarez should not be punished, but lets try and put this into perspective. He's been charged with violent conduct, which seems fitting, but the statement calls the standard 3 match ban insufficient, at which I'd ask why?

      Was it violent conduct? Absolutely, so what reasons are there to extend beyond the standard punishment. Perhaps flagrant, perhaps the level of violence, or maybe when a player is a serial offender. Well I could say it was flagrant, so add an extra match, or in the extreme even double it. But was it excessively violent, the ref could not even see the bite marks. Surely the two footed stamp by Aguero was at least as violent if not arguably more violent. Lastly is he a serial offender? Yes he has a reputation for controversy but has he been charged for violent content by the FA before?

      Put it this way, how many matches did Barton get for 3 counts of Violent conduct last season. This is a player who was flagrant, extreme in his violence, and has in the past multiple charges for violent conduct in the past. He got 12 match ban, so is what Suarez did rise to that level?

      I do agree with you that past conduct will come into play, but I'd also add another factor that seems to be in play, and that is the disgust or weirdness factor. For the first it is applicable, but the FA should not, and technically cannot take into account anything that is not under their jurisdiction. What Suarez did in Holland is therefore off the table (or should be), and the fact is this is his first charge for violent conduct under the FA. But the weirdness factor is the wildcard, which is worse and therefore should be punished more, a bite, a slap, a headbutt, a punch, a stomp, a spit, or maybe I should include scratching or hair pulling.

      For me Suarez deserves a ban, I'd say anything from 4 matches to 6 matches, but anything beyond that and I think it will be a case of Suarez being treated differently either because of his reputation, because people just don't see to like him, or just think his behavior is weird.

      • 1 Reply to dsteer_lfc_68
      • Hey Dave,

        I was just sort of commenting and explaining to armchair the difference in the Defoe incident and what we might expect to be the difference in Suarez, in addition to the obvious of Friend having not seen it and them taking all "Suarez" actions into account as we may expect. I think they've already made it clear they're going to try and make a firm example stating 3 games isn't enough, and I don't think that's fair, at least not saying it, but I honestly couldn't argue with 10 considering using a word in jest from his native language got him 7...

        In regards to Barton, after he headbutted Aguero last lear, or kicked him, he got a 12 game ban if you recall. Not really similar incidents per say, but not sure I could choose one or the other and if I had to, I'd take a kick since biting just isn't normal, not twice! I don't want it to be this way, I lobe the little guy, but being a realist, I'm prepared for the worst, and so should he and everyone because it's the situation sadly..

        If he gets 5 for this years and 2-3 next year it would be a blessing, and god forbid they stick to 3, but I'm sure you've heard our guys on FSC, and they're talking like he's Cantona and should get 9 months and be thrown out of England.. He's clearly a flawed person on the pitch and I disagree w them there especially with how LFC handled it immediately and satisfied FSG and the FA in that regard. I think he needs major help, and this is his last straw, or what's left of it and I'm sure we can all agree there. It's better to have 2 very very good players who can deliver the goods and be depended on as fans and teammates, rather than 1 who can be spectacular yet cost games and cause harm.. For now, for me, very much last chance saloon..