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  • dsteer_lfc_68 dsteer_lfc_68 May 7, 2013 17:04 Flag

    The View of the Derby..

    I'd disagree with you slightly here colyn. I actually think our center of Lucas and Gerrard did a very good job controlling things for most of the match, so I saw an improvement over other matches where teams have tried to muscle there way past us. The fact Everton really did not create much of anything during the game other than from set plays I think reinforces that view.

    While I agree we should have done better in the transition play in creating better chances going forward, we did create quite a bit. However we were not clinical with the chances when they came. Now it could be argued having Suarez on the pitch would have made the difference, or that Sturridge just was not good enough on the day, but I'd also give some credit to the Everton back line and keeper as well.

    On the dissallowed goal in hindsight I'd agree it does look like it was good. But I think the ref who had already pulled Anichabe aside before the corner was taken was looking for any excuse to blow the whistle early. Not saying that's right, but we see that every weekend where the ref see's pushing and shoving in the lead up to a corner and blows up as soon as the ball is kicked.

    For Evertonians and Moyes who see this as a big injustices where they seem to never get the calls at Anfield, I'd ask them to look at the Suarez goal chalked off at Goodison. Also I saw 3 elbows from Fellaini all of which could have been at least a yellow, but none of them were even called.

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    • Hello DSteer. How can you control the game when you're so deep? That's my issue and I don't call that controlling the game at all. We, as in Gerrard and Lucas need to be doing that in the opponents half. We need to be squeezing teams so hard that their only outlet is to hoof it up field. We seem to be the one's hoofing it because the gap between midfield and forward line is too big.

      Conversley when we are like this we are hard to break down as the defence is pushed up against the midfield but we still need to go higher IMO. But then we struggle to score... .................

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      • Yup we're definitely in different places on this. To me parking the bus is in no way control. You used the word "LIMIT" and that's exactly what that is. You LIMIT the oppositions opportunities. It is in no way control.

        It's like driving a car. If you drive it you are in control. Take your hands off the wheel you're not in control but you can use a seatbelt to limit the damage , or maybe not go above 5mph. Again it's limiting.

        Chelsea were never in control of the game. They worked very hard to limit opportunities to Barca (and Bayern for that matter) but they hardly ever imposed themselves onto the opposition. Control by no means does it mean that you win every game but your chances go up and the football is a darn site more attractive.

      • Damn it, I can't reply to your post Dsteer. Frstly controlling a game is and can only be dominating possession and squeezing the opposition back. The way Barcelona do it basically. We've done it plenty of times ourselves but we also have this habit of slipping too deep. If the defence do it their own we're in trouble (see West Brom game at the start of the season). If the defence and midfield do it we don't have control of the game and the attack becomes blunt and isolated.

        Anything else is is just not controlling the game because you don't own the ball.

      • I'll agree to disagree on this one. For me dominating possession would be dominating the game, but controlling the game is about being in a position where you decide what your opponents can and cannot do. For me that happens when you have the ball, and it happens when you limit what the opponents can do when they have the ball.

        Obviously I'd prefer the former, but to be perfectly frank against most clubs where the difference in quality is slight, that is just not going to happen. Barca may dominate games because they are miles better than most of the clubs they play. Unfortunately we're a long way from being miles better than our opponents in the prem.

        But talking of Barca it provides a useful example to my point. Last year in the CL semi final no-one (not even Robert) could claim that Chelsea were ever dominant over Barca. However once they got their noses in front they controlled what Barca could and could not do. Yes they let them have the ball, in fact possession was skewed more to Barca than their average league games, but Chelsea did take away Barca's game. They did control what Barca could and could not do, and in that way while they never dominated the tie they did control it.

      • I'm just not sure how accurate that is. Yes we line up with 2 deep holding midfielders, which for the second half of the season has often been Lucas and Gerrard, however I don't see them both sitting right in front of the back line for the entire match. There is plenty of times where we see Gerrard pushing forward. If memory serves correctly it was Stevie who had two of our better chances, one blocked the other where Howard forced him wide, but both were in the oppositions box.

        As for controlling, I see that teams can do this in one of two ways. First hold the ball, so its a simple matter of looking at the possession stats to see who is controlling more. The second, while a bit more subjective, is by looking at how many chances are afforded to the opposition. Now I don't know the possession stats, but my impression was that it was fairly even. I'd guess Everton may have edged in the first, but we probably had more of the ball in the second. But on the second front I think its very clear. I don't remember Pepe making a save from open play, with every chance Everton created coming from a set play.

        To me that tells me Everton never got control of the center to the level needed to create chances from open play. So while maybe we did not boss the middle by holding the ball for the majority of the time, if when we did not have the ball we prevented Everton from doing much with it, that to me is controlling the game.