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Well Davey, It’s nice to know that as you type your arguments you already appreciate that they are full of holes and people will surely be coming back at you.
On that note you were a little harsh I felt on the other string. Not been having the usual 2 a day?
Let me start with ground attendance. Yep is low, could be higher. In terms of % of people attending the games to town population it is massive. But these are simply stats.
Should the football become more consistent the crowds will improve.
Sunderland a high profile club? Historically yes but not currently. I know when clubs are bought and sold their history counts. Why else pay 55m to 130m for a club that has won f"•$ all for 60 years? Not for the current team that’s for sure!
But what does spending millions really get you. For Chelsea, the league and it pushed them from no where in Europe to semi finalists and also helped their domestic cup run. Spurs have spent the same money as Wenger has but achieved nothing to show for it.
Newcastle have spent nigh on 100m in the last two season and finished below Boro, Failed to win anything this century (like that one?) gone backwards, and have high profile players unable to stay fit or to have a desire to play for the shirt. As for the management they were more comical than Basel Faulty. Instead of sketches about "Don’t mention the war" we had "all our women are slags" "who´s managing the team this week" and my personal favourite "don´t look now but Boro are bigger than" not to mention "doesn´t our silverware look old and rusty"
So although I am aware of the truth in all it´s forms. When I look around at what is spent and what is achieved, yes I want more from my club in every aspect, but mainly I´m proud with what we have done, are doing and will do.
So can you face the truth about where your club is, where it was and most importantly that its current slide doesn´t continue?
You´ve just been sold behind the back of one of your major shareholders, whilst he was in hospital (Good wishes Freddy, get better soon we need our laughing stock back). Not really the actions of a classy outfit is it?
Keep your billionaires. I want to keep on winning trophies, getting to finals and making progress.
dougy you never disapoint me.here we go again with your flawed version of the big picture.never mind i do sincerely admire your support for your team and your dogged refusal to accept the facts.most of the criticism you throw at nufc is accurate and justified,but at the bottom of your arse you know your misrepresenting the crux of the issue.we in the barren wastelands of the frozen north are very much aware that mr shepherd and his band of assorted psycophants and fools have made our football club a laughing stock due to their lack of intellect and integrity.they have developed wasting money into an art form. the man has the cranial equivalent of a club foot ! now i for one am not happy with the amount of money swilling around in football these days. players have lost their appetite for the game because they become instant millionaires by signing one lucrative contract.sadly this seems to instantly demotivate them.yes doug your right in a lot you say but facts is facts i don`t like the way the game has changed but your club is in danger of being left behind and mine, in spite of many well documented problems still has massive potential.there are no guarentees of success,but i wouldn`t swap you doug. keep the faith mate .good luck next season,do well.
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At the start of every Season I think we´re going to win it, this year, last and next. Then we kick off......
I laughed at your descriptions of your mgmt set up, nicely worded.
But as much as I back my team you back yours. The difference being, you have massive potential at your club whilst we actually realise ours. Storing something aint no good if you can´t ever use it. (Just ask Geordie Boy who´s either been banned or gone very quite yet again, fustrated little fellow)
If you look at our set up its all about the kids now. Local lads playing football for local people. That´s the way we like it. People with pride playing in our shirt.
There are a number of recent past and current players who never even tried faking the fact they wanted to play for us. We´ve paid the price for this so have you.
Yes your ground is bigger and every season you sell more shirts (how do you do this when the shirt is the same? does the converstaion in the terrance go "ha ha look at Billy he´s only got last years shirt. Look his goes black, white, black not white, black, white??)
The moral of the story is we´ll both keep the faith, the big question is who will finish higher in the league next season? One of us is playing catch up.
p.s. with regard to the bloke kipperoy he is the most negative purveyor of crap on not just your forum but on quite a few others aswell.all he does is take the piss,he`s got nowt constuctive to say.the gobshite is a wind up merchant.
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With regard to earlier posts on this subject , Dougie hits an extremely valid point in his argument, and that is that money cant buy success. Have a butchers at the list of Richest clubs based on revenues generated during 2005/6. ;
Real Madrid heading the list despite a third cons. season without silverware.
The interesting bit is the lower teams; Newcastle 13th, Man city 15th, West Ham 19th
The revenue they are generating must be huge compared to a club such as Boro…so what’s going wrong?
As Davey rightly says the mismanagement of funds doesn’t help, also mercenaries taking huge wages yet putting in pi$$ poor performances doest help…as Boro have discovered to their cost in recent years.
I can only compare the situation to corporate structures in the business world, and after all football is a business these days (if not to the fans) before all else.
Big companies do well when they make tons of money, and being a big company helps in this endeavour, BUT, their capacity to lose money is also helped by the fact of their size…the bigger they are the bigger the overheads, the more people dipping into the pot, fiddling the books, overcharging expenses or whatever.
A ‘smaller’ firm, whilst not being capable of generating the revenue of larger firms can still out perform in terms of profitability, by being far more efficient and streamlined in their day to day management of funds.
Steve Gibson is a businessman, a self made millionaire, and no matter how much he loves the club is hardly the type to sit back and watch his investment go down the toilet, or “dip into his wallet” at the first sign of trouble. His answer has been to invest his money more on long-term solutions e.g. the youth side, with Boro`s academy now ranked as one of the best in the country and its students regularly playing for England from under 17`s up to the senior side.
Newcastle & Sunderland certainly have the fan base, the history, the revenue and the potential to be top table sides such as Man USA or Chelski , but, are they ??
They have had this huge fan base and high attendance figures for years now and it hasn’t seemed to make a great deal of difference- all NE teams with relegation problems, poor league positions and inconsistent form (no-one more inconsistent than Boro I hasten to add) Therefore I cannot see a cast iron connection between attendance figures (or indeed revenue) and success …yes it certainly helps, but desire & pride to play for your club, manager, chairman & fans goes a long way also. Sunderland seems to have a potentially great future ahead of them at the moment, with a highly respected manager, chairman & die hard fans to boot that all care passionately about the club and are all pulling in the right direction. Newcastle under Allardyce and with less injury problems should also perform better this year but I believe that there is nothing better than home grown players who grew up supporting and then playing together for the club they love, so, call me a blind optomist (well it does help if u are a Boro supporter) my money is going on Boro to finish higher again next season, & our academy players will be the telling factor because they are the future and the future is bright…………..... the future is Boro.