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I think the result was not as bad as the effort. At least Wenger seems to realize, judging by his post match comments, that this was an awful performance.
I do think had we won the game we could have pulled of a small miracle and beat Dortmund at home with a chance to win the group and avoid some of the big teams who will kill us of in the round of final 16.
- Reply to Govinda Nov 9, 2014 20:01
Go ahead, tell me how we should have won and were the better team and all that other stuff that Wenger lovers used to spout. We lost be cause we are not good enough and that includes squad and manager for the last 10 years or so.
I don't think we would be where we are without him in the PL. He shows us what we have been missing. The question is though (to me) should we still try to sign Schneiderlin or a player like him? I think so.
This board is dead and I bet that sad sack who reckons that 'it' is moving to Bali will end up spending the remainder of 'it's' days dwelling about the fact a geordie tormented 'it' for the best part of a decade and there was nothing 'it' could do about it! - LMFAO!!!
TOON ARMY!!! TOON ARMY!!! TOON ARMY!!!
The only thing that's going to shift Wenger and his thinking, is if Tottenham knock us out of a place in the CL. And that is not as far away as some may think. A sobering thought for many, including the Arsenal board, who just might sit up and pay attention for once. BTW A Happy New Year to you and everyone. BTW again what was AW thinking of when he had 3 or 4 five foot 'nothings' up front against a six foot plus defence at S'hampton?
A few seasons ago we never thought we would be talking about Wilshire this way. About his potential etc. We expected that by now the talking would be about his actual game rather than his potential.
He should no longer get a free ride and for the moment, even if he is fit, I don't see his place in the starting 11.
The other problem Arsenal have, IMO, is that we have too many players that have similar attributes. Good technique, easily ran of the ball, small physique, not particularly pacy, preferring to play in the middle of the park.
IMO, we can only really play with a maximum of 2 such players at a time. If you consider 4 defenders and 1 DM that leaves room (ideally) for 2 small technical players, a striker and two quick wide players.
In fact I don't even think there is space for Ozil in our starting 11.
At the moment I would argue for Sanchez-Giroud-Walcott up front and Bellerin - Mert - Cos - Monreal or Gibbs in the back with Coquelin as DM.
This leaves 2 places for centrally functioning midfielders and to me on current form Cazorla is a shoe in leaving Ramsey, Wilshire, Rosicky, Ozil, Ox. When all fit my second choice would be Ox since he has pace which you need in today's game IMO.
I am not sure what position we should prioritize, a DM or a CD? Should Kos be back to full fitness I would chose a very good DM over a central defender. I think Schneiderlin might be one of the best in the PL. But should Kos continue to struggle than we clearly should prioritize a central defender IMO.
In an ideal world we should sign one of each. Maybe a Virgil van Dijk at CD and a clear upgrade (Khedira? bender?, Carvalho?) on Flamini and Arteta.
However I don't see Wenger sign a quality DM this window or any tie soon.
What do you think?
I think it was a great and important result. Of course to give it away late leaves a bad taste in our mouth but like you said, if you play panic football in the last 20 minutes you are likely to concede against a better team and Liverpool had been batter all game. Liverpool trailing us in the table and possibly competing with us for 4th meant a draw was better result for us than for them.
We look likely to survive an other round in the CL but what will that lead to and will it harm our fragile squad and chances for 4th in the PL? Who knows. At this point in time I find it hard to get excited about the prospects of beating Monaco, an other mid-table average team.
I hope against reason and history that Wenger will buy a starting type caliber defensive player either CD or defensive midfielder during the January window. Schneiderlin would make me very happy.
I think Chaimbers had a stinker and I wonder if he is not, at this point, a better CD than RB. Clearly Wenger thinks Debuchy is the better CD. I also think Mertesacker is not having a great year and that is costing us even if it is in his failure to organise the defense during set pieces. I am sure it frustrating to every Arsenal fan to continue to concede from set pieces year after year. To me that should be one of the parts of the game you can practice for and improve on yet it is hard to see such improvement.
I still don't think we take 4th this season and I fear we might be exposed by West Ham. We are lucky Song is leaving for the ACN.
11 dropped points from winning positions thus far, that would have put us in contention for the PL title.
Thanks for the reply John. Although I envy you for being able to go the games, I understand the mixed feelings you might have about paying for some of the performances in these big games.
From television it looked similar to what you summarized. Although I think Ozil appeared a bit unlucky with his team mates in as far as some of his passes being squandered.
Your summary could have easily been of an other Arsenal game though and that is the worry for me.
IMO the best game we played as a collective, maybe not the prettiest, was against City. We seemed to press early, move up and down the pitch as a collective, not leaving big spaces between our lines for the opponents to take advantage of and maintained focus pretty much through out the game. It almost felt a little like Barca and Bayern play as a collective and press high on the pitch. But then we never seem to play like that again despite having shown we are capable of it.
By now you know I don't think highly of Giroud and I hope we will add some depth at his position this summer, now that it seems likely Wenger won't spend on a top DM thanks to the impressive debut season of Coqleulin.
As weak as it sounds, I think the ref for the return leg of the Monaco game is going to be the determining factor. Will he allow Monaco to foul us out of our rhythm or will he hand out some early yellows to give us a chance?
Burnley were never going to give us a hard game. Sanchez's first goal was superb. His work rate all over the pitch is fantastic. Comparisons are being drawn, but they are more that he is like a Suarez type player. Let's hope he only copies his prolific scoring record and not his biting, diving and racism.
You lot should have beaten Mancnobber Ushyted after playing them off the park.
Their glory boy fans are filling the Yahoo articles with gloating comments, it's sickening!
I'm surprised that old fanny from Cairns didn't take a break from her imaginary tour of Asia to post a gloating comment, but perhaps she's had her electricity cut off again for not paying the bill?
Seven weeks travelling around paradise with my son, and what's happened here?
The sad, immature Geordie has sunk to new depths of immaturity with ..... wait for it ..... Mancnobber Ushyted ...... can you believe that? He gets younger as he gets older! I made an hilarious video on Sanur Beach in Bali, asking the locals what they thought of Geordies, I'll get it up on Youtube soon. Their reputation as idiots has crossed the world!
Then we have the yank, who has responded to Govinda's football posts with his usual vitriol, a substitute for football knowledge. He can't compete one on one talking football, so he does what he does best, shows himself up with childish insults, and the usual reference to standing on the North Bank 50 years ago, with the claim that makes him a REAL fan.
Govinda's repost to the yank's threat that he was, ".... saving this and I'm going to rub your moaning bl..dy face in it." was hilarious, it sent the yank right over the top! Good stuff Govinda.
This place really should be put down. Luckily, I'm off next year, moving to Bali. I've got a nice four bed villa on Sanur beach with a pool, a cook and a maid, (mandatory there to employ at least one person), and the chance to take a stake in a local nightclub, not a pretend one like the whole of Geordie Child's life!
I won't do what certain idiots did here last season, and brag about the fact Arsenal and United have swapped places, I'll leave that for the end of the season.
Cue the idiots ....... LMFAO!
I was at the game and what I saw was:
1. The final ball. It just wasn't there. It just never worked for us.
2. Giroud was well off his game. He has apologised for this, and must make amends in the next game, or run the risk of being labelled forever a big game failure.
3. Mertesacker was also off his game. He ventured too far out and lost too many challenges.
4. Ozil was ineffective. He kept passing sideways or backwards and kept the ball too long. This slowed our game and allowed Monaco to get back in position.
In the end we just went mad and left our defences wide open for the third.
I've got a few more games to go to before the end of the season, but if we don't beat Liverpool, I may just give 'A' Games a miss. I've seen us draw against Spurs and lose against Utd and Monaco this season so far. £66 a ticket for that isn't worth it.
I hope the £40 per ticket I've paid for the West Ham game delivers good value.
Well I suppose I should concede you the few points you make. However, I have never seen Fellani as a Man Utd type of player, and never will. It was only the fact that Moyes did(why I shall never know) that got him to United in the first place. I could hardly have seen LVG bidding for his services had it been different. Could you??
Same old Arsenal. As predicted. No leaders, no tactical ability or instinct, no ability to defend. This could have been posted 5,6,7,8,9 years ago or last year. It remains true.
just when things were back to normal, without the tiresome moron Ricki 'the cabbage head' Altree, we now have to wipe the forum floor with this poor excuse for a £10 pom. trying to convince nobody on here that he has been away travelling. If he hadn't been such a boring liar most of his existence, we may have believed him. As it is you will have to forgive us Rikki but nobody even remembers who you are let alone asking anyone to accept your nonsense. Was there no way they would let you stay in the bali bush with your tin cup loin cloth and sandals ? You are and about as welcome and worn as a beggars purse on here, and just as empty of any credibility.