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Excellent piece of writing. Too bad it doesn't address any potential reason for our injury record, by far the worst of the PL teams and no longer explainable as coincidence. As long as the next mug is Klop or one of the other top modern day managers I will live with Wengers departure but I don't think he is going to walk away from his fat pay check voluntary. For now he will continue to take the #$%$ out of the owner the club and the fans. And who can blame hime? Best paid job and no performance targets.
10 years ago Arsenal went the season unbeaten, resulting in the team being labelled 'the Invincibles'.
This lead to an infamous quote by David Dein after lifting the Prem trophy, 'they will go on to dominate for the next decade'.
It didn't quite work out like that, so why was he so wrong?
I'd like to know peoples thoughts on this fact, even if they are excuses formed from personal bias.
For me, the buck stops with Wenger. Its documented fact hes had plenty more money available to him than he spent, signed inadequate replacements for big players he let leave, criminally in some cases, and thats if he replaced them at all, which he more often than not hasnt. He has no plan B, you cant play the same exact way every week home and away, so do this for year on after year seems like very poor judgment, and thats not so much opinion as what seems to be basic observation universally perceived.
Clearly Wenger has had the most influence on results over the last 10 years but Kroenke is also a big problem since he also doesn't have a lot of ambition to win major trophies.
I have said it a number of times and also this season, I think the game has developed much faster than Wenger has been able to comprehend. Wenger fails consistently to address he greatest needs in the market.
Considering Wenger has spent over £100m recently Im not sure we can blame the owner too much.
What annoys me is that despite spending all that money, you're no stronger than you have been the past 10 years and are nowhere near good enough to challenge for the title, the main priority. This side looks like another 'long term project', which has been the case the past 10 years also.
Like you (and Mourinho) say, Wenger has the best job in football. He gets paid silly money, his job is forever secure and he doesnt have to win anything. Winning a domestic cup barely counts as none of the top clubs 'try' for it, so if a top 4 side does it should be theirs considering the quality of opposition that usually features.
.........It is time someone else got a chance.
With his in depth knowledge of everything football, I would have thought the outback cowboy Butch would be a good re[placement. Just imagine the damage he could do with a team of humpty backed old guzzlers from his local........better than the team Wenger put out to be almost sunk by a leaky Hull....no pun intended...
I blame the owner for not being ambitious enough to sack a manager who wins nothing for a long time. It is the owner who keeps Wenger on and who puts no performance standards or targets on him. An owner like Abramovich has so much ambition that he sacks his manager at the first sight of failure and although this looks a bit stupid at times, it is hard to argue that his strategy has resulted in many more trophies than Arsenal's.
Ah see what you mean now. It would be hard to sack a manager of Wengers stature at the club, perhaps not renewing his contract would be a more diplomatic approach?
I would like to know what official expectations are each season, say for the past 5 years at least. Uniteds chief exec has come out and said they expect LVG/United to reach top 3, so everyone knows the score. Its why Wenger will never hold a candle to Ferguson no matter what you think, because his goal was always win everything, anything less was failure. Mourinho has the same standard, whereas Brendan Rogers has come out and said hes happy with 'slow progress' this season, this after almost winning the title last year. Hard to see him being very successful either.
This place is officially dead...
...even the Cairns fairy has suddenly decided to run off into the Bali sunset, hand in hand with an orangutan.
Typical Man U gobshytes, only singing when they're winning and AWOL when the bad times fall upon them.
Time to turn off the lights and leave this forum in the dark where it belongs, it's dead and all it's former residents have limped off with their tail inbetween their legs in defeat. - LMFAO!!!
three more reasons in one interview.
1. the delusional notion that possession somehow means something in football. It is astounding that after all this time Wenger still does not understand that having the ball means nothing and what you do with it means everything.
2. Excuses, sure the ref was not great but, Wenger has had a tendency to blame outside factors, like ref or poor quality pitch or injuries. This IMO has crept into his players minds and lead them to mistakenly believe if they lose it is not their fault.
3. Preparation. I don't think Wenger knows how to prepare his team for games, especially big games. I agree with him as he says in his interview that the team came out with a lack of focus but this hapens often to Arsenal teams. The horrible losses last season against City, Liverpool and Chesea were all perfect examples of lack of focus. Being 3-0 or 4-0 down inside 20 minutes requires lack of focus besides lack of preparation/game plan.
Wenger added: “It was a disappointing afternoon because we had 80 percent possession and got one point.
“We had absolutely to win this game and were unlucky with the referee on the first goal but on the second goal we can only blame ourselves.
“We came out of the dressing room with a lack of focus and gave them (Hull) the lead straight away. After, it was difficult.
Reading up on what is happening in Germany, one could be lead into believing that what is happening there, is going on all over Europe.
Teams don't really compete just for titles any more. It's more about the money.
Look at what's happening in the Bundeslige. Dortmund have fallen away pretty dramatically from their position in the CL final last year. Many other teams in Germany seem only interested in getting into European competitions. That brings in the bucks.
Much the same way that Arsenal seem only too comfortable in reaching 4th in the league as they know it's a big pay out in doing so. Risking 4th by trying to win the league would be madness. Just as Liverpool did.
La Liga is dominated by two teams, with everyone else happy to compete for the other European competition spots.
Ligue 1 is the same.
Drive and ambition left when loyalty and the love of the game went.
It's all about the money now.
At last the penny has dropped. Its surprising that no one, including me and Govinda, put two and two together concerning our failure to get close to the PL top spot, or win it. Of course it has always been about the money especially with Wenger. But you have to admire his smarts......and his acting ability both on and off camera....a cunning old French fox.
Yeh! But what about the workers!!!??? How do we get to Europe? Oh I know. Lets try another landing at Normandy. We could take out Dortmund, Munich, and be in Berlin by lunch time. Scones with jam, cream and a cup of tea anyone ???.......but you're right of course John. It's only been a matter of time. Its been coming a long time now, and once the Arabs, Russians and Asians got their fingers into the pot of rich pickings, it was downhill all the way from then on for the workers. and they guarding the coffers don't give a stuff either as long as the mugs who really cant afford it get themselves into debt and trouble trying to keep up.... and there are plenty of them out there, including you if you don't mind me saying so John... hum hum!
Arsenal clearly has been run like business for the last 10 years or more. In fact Arsenal is likely one of the best run football businesses around. As a fan I don't give a s%&t about how well the business side of the club is run provided it does not risk bankruptcy. I rather win the PL with a net profit of 5 million than place 4th with a net profit of 50 million.
I think this might also be part of the reason the club is reluctant to let Wenger go. A transition year would most likely mean a year of finishing outside the CL places, although I think as you know, that this will likely happen in any event this year. No CL less profit.
Let people invest their money in well ran businesses but I would prefer my club to be a well run club which to me means winning major trophies, rather than a well ran business which means making big profits.
I am sure all Arsenal fans have been waiting anxiously for a sign of improvement of form. A sign we are about to go on a much needed run of wins.
Last night there was no such sign despite a good result. The squad we fielded should have been able to do much better and our defending is still horrendous. Ironically in the last few games it has been Mertesacker who has let us down if you ask me. He was always burdened with a lack of pace an athleticism but age seems to have caused him to drop of a cliff. As I must have said 10 times this season, there was a reason Mert was not trusted to lead the German defense during the World Cup and we have to hope Wenger wakes up to the wisdom of Joachim Low sooner rather than later.
Once on Wenger's favorite list he tends to stick by his players longer than he should. Just as once on his #$%$ list (Podolski, Campbell) no matter what you do you won't get into the starting line-up without all options ahead of you being exhausted.
I still think we will struggle more than ever to finish in the top 4 and injuries should have nothing to do with that. The teams we have been able to field this season should have won more than they have.
Of course, I believe many Arsenal fans knew one of the main targets AW has had since the move from Highbury, is to hit £24m profit each year and pay down the loans asap.
Doing this while maintaining a spot close to the top has been a great achievement, but he should be taking a back seat to the coaching now. We need new ideas on the field. We need a stronger side, able to hold its own against the physical teams.
We got bullied off the ball so easily last night, it was sad to see. We were very very lucky to get the points. I now think Ox should play instead of Wilshere and Podolski instead of Cazorla on Saturday.
There direct approach and physical ability should do well against Sunderland.
It seems that not only Wenger is playing the game these days.
Dortmund are playing #$%$ in the Bundesliga, but are winning all games in the CL?
I agree completely with bring in pace and physicality. The games we have done well in have involved Sanchez and Ox on the wings and Welbeck in the center. That is a very fast forward line and that is our strength. I think Ramsey should get a rest after having been out for a while and being injury prone so I would start the following:
I play Bellerin as left back because I think we drop less at left back when we play him over Chambers then we lose playing Monreal as CB. Chambers is a solid CB and pairing him with Mert should be more solid than pairing Mert with Monreal. I leave Cazorla in but would have him play as a nr10 and not on the outside. I would have Ox play in the center but with the freedom to slot into either the left or right lane, putting double pressure on defenders if they have Sanchez and Ox barreling down on them or Ox overtaking Podolski on the left allowing Podolski to cut into the box sooner rather than trying to keep the pitch wide.
Alternatively we could give Sanchez the free role and move Ox to the right wing. I think Cazorla as a true nr 10 can be good he is much less effective when asked to play out wide.
Podolski - Welbeck - Sanchez
Cazorla - Ox
Gibbs - Mert - Chambers - Bellerin
...and I know how hard it is to keep all the joy and excitement of an Arsenal win under control on here, but please, this is ridiculous . Once upon a time there were people who actually supported one football team or another, or gave vent to the smug joy of Newcastle knocking over Totters on their own ground. Or how lucky Manure were today to have an old Arsenal discard grab a point for them. Instead I'm greeted by stony silence, as though The Emirates had just burned down, or Wenger had just sold Ramsey and Sanchez to Manure. What does it take to get you lot motivated, another team of invincibles ? But even that I think wouldn't do it. Tickets for the Burnley game ? Anyone. Anyone!