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.........It is time someone else got a chance.
With his in depth knowledge of everything football, I would have thought the outback cowboy Butch would be a good re[placement. Just imagine the damage he could do with a team of humpty backed old guzzlers from his local........better than the team Wenger put out to be almost sunk by a leaky Hull....no pun intended...
I blame the owner for not being ambitious enough to sack a manager who wins nothing for a long time. It is the owner who keeps Wenger on and who puts no performance standards or targets on him. An owner like Abramovich has so much ambition that he sacks his manager at the first sight of failure and although this looks a bit stupid at times, it is hard to argue that his strategy has resulted in many more trophies than Arsenal's.
Ah see what you mean now. It would be hard to sack a manager of Wengers stature at the club, perhaps not renewing his contract would be a more diplomatic approach?
I would like to know what official expectations are each season, say for the past 5 years at least. Uniteds chief exec has come out and said they expect LVG/United to reach top 3, so everyone knows the score. Its why Wenger will never hold a candle to Ferguson no matter what you think, because his goal was always win everything, anything less was failure. Mourinho has the same standard, whereas Brendan Rogers has come out and said hes happy with 'slow progress' this season, this after almost winning the title last year. Hard to see him being very successful either.
This place is officially dead...
...even the Cairns fairy has suddenly decided to run off into the Bali sunset, hand in hand with an orangutan.
Typical Man U gobshytes, only singing when they're winning and AWOL when the bad times fall upon them.
Time to turn off the lights and leave this forum in the dark where it belongs, it's dead and all it's former residents have limped off with their tail inbetween their legs in defeat. - LMFAO!!!
three more reasons in one interview.
1. the delusional notion that possession somehow means something in football. It is astounding that after all this time Wenger still does not understand that having the ball means nothing and what you do with it means everything.
2. Excuses, sure the ref was not great but, Wenger has had a tendency to blame outside factors, like ref or poor quality pitch or injuries. This IMO has crept into his players minds and lead them to mistakenly believe if they lose it is not their fault.
3. Preparation. I don't think Wenger knows how to prepare his team for games, especially big games. I agree with him as he says in his interview that the team came out with a lack of focus but this hapens often to Arsenal teams. The horrible losses last season against City, Liverpool and Chesea were all perfect examples of lack of focus. Being 3-0 or 4-0 down inside 20 minutes requires lack of focus besides lack of preparation/game plan.
Wenger added: “It was a disappointing afternoon because we had 80 percent possession and got one point.
“We had absolutely to win this game and were unlucky with the referee on the first goal but on the second goal we can only blame ourselves.
“We came out of the dressing room with a lack of focus and gave them (Hull) the lead straight away. After, it was difficult.
Reading up on what is happening in Germany, one could be lead into believing that what is happening there, is going on all over Europe.
Teams don't really compete just for titles any more. It's more about the money.
Look at what's happening in the Bundeslige. Dortmund have fallen away pretty dramatically from their position in the CL final last year. Many other teams in Germany seem only interested in getting into European competitions. That brings in the bucks.
Much the same way that Arsenal seem only too comfortable in reaching 4th in the league as they know it's a big pay out in doing so. Risking 4th by trying to win the league would be madness. Just as Liverpool did.
La Liga is dominated by two teams, with everyone else happy to compete for the other European competition spots.
Ligue 1 is the same.
Drive and ambition left when loyalty and the love of the game went.
It's all about the money now.
At last the penny has dropped. Its surprising that no one, including me and Govinda, put two and two together concerning our failure to get close to the PL top spot, or win it. Of course it has always been about the money especially with Wenger. But you have to admire his smarts......and his acting ability both on and off camera....a cunning old French fox.
Yeh! But what about the workers!!!??? How do we get to Europe? Oh I know. Lets try another landing at Normandy. We could take out Dortmund, Munich, and be in Berlin by lunch time. Scones with jam, cream and a cup of tea anyone ???.......but you're right of course John. It's only been a matter of time. Its been coming a long time now, and once the Arabs, Russians and Asians got their fingers into the pot of rich pickings, it was downhill all the way from then on for the workers. and they guarding the coffers don't give a stuff either as long as the mugs who really cant afford it get themselves into debt and trouble trying to keep up.... and there are plenty of them out there, including you if you don't mind me saying so John... hum hum!
Arsenal clearly has been run like business for the last 10 years or more. In fact Arsenal is likely one of the best run football businesses around. As a fan I don't give a s%&t about how well the business side of the club is run provided it does not risk bankruptcy. I rather win the PL with a net profit of 5 million than place 4th with a net profit of 50 million.
I think this might also be part of the reason the club is reluctant to let Wenger go. A transition year would most likely mean a year of finishing outside the CL places, although I think as you know, that this will likely happen in any event this year. No CL less profit.
Let people invest their money in well ran businesses but I would prefer my club to be a well run club which to me means winning major trophies, rather than a well ran business which means making big profits.
I am sure all Arsenal fans have been waiting anxiously for a sign of improvement of form. A sign we are about to go on a much needed run of wins.
Last night there was no such sign despite a good result. The squad we fielded should have been able to do much better and our defending is still horrendous. Ironically in the last few games it has been Mertesacker who has let us down if you ask me. He was always burdened with a lack of pace an athleticism but age seems to have caused him to drop of a cliff. As I must have said 10 times this season, there was a reason Mert was not trusted to lead the German defense during the World Cup and we have to hope Wenger wakes up to the wisdom of Joachim Low sooner rather than later.
Once on Wenger's favorite list he tends to stick by his players longer than he should. Just as once on his #$%$ list (Podolski, Campbell) no matter what you do you won't get into the starting line-up without all options ahead of you being exhausted.
I still think we will struggle more than ever to finish in the top 4 and injuries should have nothing to do with that. The teams we have been able to field this season should have won more than they have.
Of course, I believe many Arsenal fans knew one of the main targets AW has had since the move from Highbury, is to hit £24m profit each year and pay down the loans asap.
Doing this while maintaining a spot close to the top has been a great achievement, but he should be taking a back seat to the coaching now. We need new ideas on the field. We need a stronger side, able to hold its own against the physical teams.
We got bullied off the ball so easily last night, it was sad to see. We were very very lucky to get the points. I now think Ox should play instead of Wilshere and Podolski instead of Cazorla on Saturday.
There direct approach and physical ability should do well against Sunderland.
It seems that not only Wenger is playing the game these days.
Dortmund are playing #$%$ in the Bundesliga, but are winning all games in the CL?
I agree completely with bring in pace and physicality. The games we have done well in have involved Sanchez and Ox on the wings and Welbeck in the center. That is a very fast forward line and that is our strength. I think Ramsey should get a rest after having been out for a while and being injury prone so I would start the following:
I play Bellerin as left back because I think we drop less at left back when we play him over Chambers then we lose playing Monreal as CB. Chambers is a solid CB and pairing him with Mert should be more solid than pairing Mert with Monreal. I leave Cazorla in but would have him play as a nr10 and not on the outside. I would have Ox play in the center but with the freedom to slot into either the left or right lane, putting double pressure on defenders if they have Sanchez and Ox barreling down on them or Ox overtaking Podolski on the left allowing Podolski to cut into the box sooner rather than trying to keep the pitch wide.
Alternatively we could give Sanchez the free role and move Ox to the right wing. I think Cazorla as a true nr 10 can be good he is much less effective when asked to play out wide.
Podolski - Welbeck - Sanchez
Cazorla - Ox
Gibbs - Mert - Chambers - Bellerin
...and I know how hard it is to keep all the joy and excitement of an Arsenal win under control on here, but please, this is ridiculous . Once upon a time there were people who actually supported one football team or another, or gave vent to the smug joy of Newcastle knocking over Totters on their own ground. Or how lucky Manure were today to have an old Arsenal discard grab a point for them. Instead I'm greeted by stony silence, as though The Emirates had just burned down, or Wenger had just sold Ramsey and Sanchez to Manure. What does it take to get you lot motivated, another team of invincibles ? But even that I think wouldn't do it. Tickets for the Burnley game ? Anyone. Anyone!
To be perfectly honest, there are very few apart from Mar and Aaron who focus posts on football these days and our last game didn't throw up much to be that excited about. We beat a team who lost 8-0 the weekend before last. I was glad to see Sanchez on the score sheet, but other than that...it was a bit meh.
West Ham's win probably cost the bookies. Chelsea were robbed.
I wont be going to the Burnley game as I have no interest in seeing any Burnley players. I have just got my tickets for the Utd fixture though. To keep you happy, I will change my avatar later. ;-)
I for one was glad that Arsenal beat the dirty, scummy, smelly mackems 0-2 at the Stadium of Shyte and that my lot beat Spurs 1-2 in their own backyard.
Mancheaters Ushyted were once again helped out courtesy of a referee's dodgy decision at Old Toilet so that they could scrape a point at home against a Chelsea side that didn't park the bus (for once) after going 0-1 up, Robin van Pricey's goal celebration was over OTT - you'd have thought Mancheaters Ushyted had won the European Cup the way they were going on!
There was an article about Fellaini at first being deemed surplus to requirements and now seemingly back into the grace of Van Gaal. Van Gaal seems to have learned that you can not only have technically gifted players in the PL but that you also need physically imposing players. Matic has been huge for Chelsea.
Since the departure of Vieira and Gilberto we have never really had an impsing midfield presence let alone an intimidating DM. Arteta is neither a natural DM nor physically imposing and Flamini is running out of runway and not an imposing player. How come Wenger fails to see in 10 years what Van Gaal appears to realize inside of 10 games.
After the draw at West Brom, Van Gaal conceded that he may have to adapt his own philosophy a little as he continues to learn about English football.
'We have to look also for physical talents and maybe that's our problem,' said Van Gaal in explaining his decision to leave out Ander Herrera.
'I'm a coach who is always thinking about creative players but in England you also need physical bodies in your team and Fellaini is one of these.'
Are you seriously comparing Van Gaal's philosophy with Arsene Wenger's? If so I suggest you change your allegiance to Man Utd. You might also be happier there than you are here. Its also well to note that such players as Gilberto or Vierra are no longer available. In fact in quality no where near available today. The 'physical presence' of Fellaini is surely to cover Van Gaal's embarrassment at even having to play him, for he has in fact done nothing other than score one goal for them recently. And one swallow my friend does not make a summer. END!