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- Govinda Govinda Mar 18, 2015 10:32 Flag
Top 3 finish would be great and arguably and sadly the best progress we can now hope for. The FA cup would be a nice consolation price.
I would take top 3 over FA cup and 4th. I think a top 3 would help in the summer recruitment since it guarantees CL football and top players nowadays tend to want that guarantee. I hate waiting till the after CL pre-qualifying to see if we sign top players.
Having said that 5th at this point is as likely as 3rd or 2nd IMO. At least no more pointless CL football to tire our squad.
On paper we are still in it against Monaco tonight. With the squad we have compared to Monaco we should have more than the 5% chance we are given.
Having said this, Monaco has performed better then their squad would imply IMO and we tend to under perform in the big games. We saw 2 pleasant surprises this season, one against City and one against Man U.
I think Paulista playing would help but as it stands I predict a draw tonight. I expect to fall pray again to the Monaco counter attack, a weakness we have had for years and I fear we will start rushing and play panic football way too early.
Clearly an early Arsenal goal could spice this game up but chances are higher IMO that a first half Monaco goal would kill an already dead tie of completely.
The silver lining is that being eliminated from the next round of CL football will save us 2 games our squad doesn't need and will allow us to focus on the PL 2 and 3 places (hopefully) and the FA cup.
With Man U, Liverpool and probably City all out of Europe at least it would level the fixture burden a little amongst those teams fighting for the top 4 places.
Direct qualification for next years CL would be a big bonus IMO and better than making it one more round in the CL.
Dear ghosts any thoughts?
I don't think we would be where we are without him in the PL. He shows us what we have been missing. The question is though (to me) should we still try to sign Schneiderlin or a player like him? I think so.
Thanks for the reply John. Although I envy you for being able to go the games, I understand the mixed feelings you might have about paying for some of the performances in these big games.
From television it looked similar to what you summarized. Although I think Ozil appeared a bit unlucky with his team mates in as far as some of his passes being squandered.
Your summary could have easily been of an other Arsenal game though and that is the worry for me.
IMO the best game we played as a collective, maybe not the prettiest, was against City. We seemed to press early, move up and down the pitch as a collective, not leaving big spaces between our lines for the opponents to take advantage of and maintained focus pretty much through out the game. It almost felt a little like Barca and Bayern play as a collective and press high on the pitch. But then we never seem to play like that again despite having shown we are capable of it.
By now you know I don't think highly of Giroud and I hope we will add some depth at his position this summer, now that it seems likely Wenger won't spend on a top DM thanks to the impressive debut season of Coqleulin.
As weak as it sounds, I think the ref for the return leg of the Monaco game is going to be the determining factor. Will he allow Monaco to foul us out of our rhythm or will he hand out some early yellows to give us a chance?
I guess the reason this board is so empty is partly because there is nothing new to say about Arsenal that has not been said for the last 7 or 8 years.
It can happen you have a poor game, although it happens far too often to a team with out talent, but with a few leaders on the pitch last night does not happen. To me we lacked leaders more than anything, Leaders would have stopped this running around like a headless chicken and taken a 2-0 or 2-1 defeat.
We have too many players who go missing in the big games and to me Giroud has always been one of them. He is ok against smaller teams but he has very little technique and control.
I thought Ozil was not as bad as the press made him out and many of his passes got wasted by his team mates, but he will never be defensively what Sanchez is. He is a liability for a team with weak defending.
A few seasons ago we never thought we would be talking about Wilshire this way. About his potential etc. We expected that by now the talking would be about his actual game rather than his potential.
He should no longer get a free ride and for the moment, even if he is fit, I don't see his place in the starting 11.
The other problem Arsenal have, IMO, is that we have too many players that have similar attributes. Good technique, easily ran of the ball, small physique, not particularly pacy, preferring to play in the middle of the park.
IMO, we can only really play with a maximum of 2 such players at a time. If you consider 4 defenders and 1 DM that leaves room (ideally) for 2 small technical players, a striker and two quick wide players.
In fact I don't even think there is space for Ozil in our starting 11.
At the moment I would argue for Sanchez-Giroud-Walcott up front and Bellerin - Mert - Cos - Monreal or Gibbs in the back with Coquelin as DM.
This leaves 2 places for centrally functioning midfielders and to me on current form Cazorla is a shoe in leaving Ramsey, Wilshire, Rosicky, Ozil, Ox. When all fit my second choice would be Ox since he has pace which you need in today's game IMO.
bad result for us but the way we played we didn't deserve more IMO.
Since this board seems dead, I will spare myself the typing of what we could have tried to do to improve the second half after a poor first half.
I still think 4th is out of reach for us.
Happy New Year John and those few left on this board. I think Podolski makes us weaker in theory only. Wenger refused to play him and even chose Sanogo ahead of him.
Personally I don't think Wenger will do what it takes in the window and on the pitch. I also think he is burning out Sanchez by playing him way too much. A few weeks ago Wenger admitted Sanchez is playing in the red zone, yet with the exception of 1 CL game he has not rested him. This could come back to haunt us. Also when Ozil returns we will be even weaker defensively. So my prediction that we finish outside of the top 4 still stands.
We don't even have the budget to buy the players we need. IMO we need Schneiderlin and a top quality CB.
TBH even with our injured players fit we didn't impress.
I agree with Jacks that it was a nobrainer that we were not going to trouble Southampton throwing crosses into the box to Sanchez, Carzorla and Rosicky. I guess even Campbell has more physical presence than those three yet Campbell is an other player Wenger gives no minutes to get used to the PL.
Guess this was a fair result. Not impressed with the way this game was managed by Wenger. Why not give Campbell a chance at some point? Three small players like Carzorla, Rosicky and Alexis where never likely to bother the Southampton defense. 4th will be harder than many think and I still don't think we will finish 4th this season. And the bad news is that we didn't lose this game in defensive midfield. We were just out played by a better prepared side and more disciplined side.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 28, 2014 17:11 Flag
I think he is not much better than Giroud but I still prefer him to Giroud. Out on the wing he is not very good.
Arsenal need a quality striker. Costa would have been great. Bony would have been good but Giroud is not good enough and Welbeck doesn't get the chance. He doesn't look like he could develop into a world class striker but he still could benefit from more games in the middle.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 28, 2014 16:59 Flag
Great result!! Poor performance. Why does Wenger insist on bringing on 2 additional defenders when we lead a game in the 85 minute? It always means we start to play panic football. Defenders tend to drop back inviting all of the play to be in our half and reducing the players that can keep a ball or that can be an outlet for a pass.
Joint 4th on points!!! Beat Southampton, and Stoke next in the PL, buy Schneiderlin or an other top DM and a CD and we can begin to have some hope and ambition.
We need to play better than we have in a long time to beat West Ham but given that they compete with us for 4th this is a must win game as strange as that sounds. I am not too optimistic and hope for a late Christmas gift.
Maybe we can finally give our best goal scorer, Podolski, a chance now that Giroud conveniently got him self a winter break.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 22, 2014 16:03 Flag
I think it was a great and important result. Of course to give it away late leaves a bad taste in our mouth but like you said, if you play panic football in the last 20 minutes you are likely to concede against a better team and Liverpool had been batter all game. Liverpool trailing us in the table and possibly competing with us for 4th meant a draw was better result for us than for them.
We look likely to survive an other round in the CL but what will that lead to and will it harm our fragile squad and chances for 4th in the PL? Who knows. At this point in time I find it hard to get excited about the prospects of beating Monaco, an other mid-table average team.
I hope against reason and history that Wenger will buy a starting type caliber defensive player either CD or defensive midfielder during the January window. Schneiderlin would make me very happy.
I think Chaimbers had a stinker and I wonder if he is not, at this point, a better CD than RB. Clearly Wenger thinks Debuchy is the better CD. I also think Mertesacker is not having a great year and that is costing us even if it is in his failure to organise the defense during set pieces. I am sure it frustrating to every Arsenal fan to continue to concede from set pieces year after year. To me that should be one of the parts of the game you can practice for and improve on yet it is hard to see such improvement.
I still don't think we take 4th this season and I fear we might be exposed by West Ham. We are lucky Song is leaving for the ACN.
11 dropped points from winning positions thus far, that would have put us in contention for the PL title.
Is, IMO, that we often push our key players to the limit and beyond. Wenger admits that Sanchez is in the red zone yet he continues to play him. Being in the red zone is not about being able to chase balls as much of give 100% it is much more about becoming much more injury prone and injuries sustained whilst in the red zone generally take much longer to heal.
We should have the depth to rotate players enough so we don't need to run them into the red zone. It is better to lose Sanchez for one game than for 4 weeks. Yet this seems to be one of recuuring errors going back further than playing Fabregas until he was injured often.
To me this is not so smart given the big injury problems we have. We don't know how far we can push it? When a player is in the red zone stop pushing him at all!!!!!
Alexis Sanchez will be given next week off after Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger admitted his £30million man is in the ‘red zone’.
The Chile international has been one of the stars of the season so far following his switch from Barcelona. But, including internationals, Sanchez has played 27 games since August, and this has taken a toll.
And Wenger will rest the striker after today’s clash with Stoke.Arsenal head to Turkey on Monday for their Champions League clash against Galatasaray, but Sanchez will stay in London.
‘Sanchez is in the red zone, you can see when he plays, but he can dig deep.
He played his 27th game on Wednesday (against Southampton) since the start of the season. Unfortunately you never know how far you can push it.
‘We are not scientific enough to predict that completely but he recovers very quickly.’
- Govinda Govinda Nov 25, 2014 20:41 Flag
Upon further reflection I don't think any of the above defensive signings will make all the difference. It would help but I think a bit of work on defending during training would do a lot more. Particularly avoiding the constant recurring error of having too many players in front of the ball exposing our (slow) defenders and leaving them isolated against counter breaks. Prevent the stuff Wenger constantly refers to as "naive" defending, or no defending. With Mertesacker being as slow as molasses you can not leave him in isolated situations.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 25, 2014 20:35 Flag
I am not sure what position we should prioritize, a DM or a CD? Should Kos be back to full fitness I would chose a very good DM over a central defender. I think Schneiderlin might be one of the best in the PL. But should Kos continue to struggle than we clearly should prioritize a central defender IMO.
In an ideal world we should sign one of each. Maybe a Virgil van Dijk at CD and a clear upgrade (Khedira? bender?, Carvalho?) on Flamini and Arteta.
However I don't see Wenger sign a quality DM this window or any tie soon.
What do you think?
- Govinda Govinda Nov 24, 2014 17:50 Flag
You better hope that Arsene Wenger doesn't turn it around, because I'm saving this and I'm going to rub your moaning bl..dy face in it.
I thought you don't bother with the likes of me?
- Reply to Govinda Nov 9, 2014 20:01Govinda Govinda Nov 23, 2014 04:38 Flag
Go ahead, tell me how we should have won and were the better team and all that other stuff that Wenger lovers used to spout. We lost be cause we are not good enough and that includes squad and manager for the last 10 years or so.
- Reply to Govinda Nov 9, 2014 20:01Govinda Govinda Nov 12, 2014 11:35 Flag
Hi my little sunshine. I won't rub your face in the fact that I don't post under another name. Neither will I rub your face in the fact that you can clearly not make a distinction between the following two sentences. "Next in line is a spanking by Van Gaal and his struggling team" and "Next in line is a likely spanking by Van Gaal and his struggling team." The first sentence is a lot like Sanchez saying the 3 points from the Swansea game are coming back to London.
Finally, apparently unlike you, I prefer Arsenal winning over my expectations being correct.
Let us hope Wenger hits his head and travels back 10-15 years in time and goes out and buys Hummels and Khedeira or Carvalho.