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- Govinda by Govinda 4 hours ago Flag
For those who love Wenger unconditionally let me preface by saying I have nothing but respect for the man and I hope he wins the FA cap and 4th place this season so he can retire with some honor. To fail on those two objectives would bring so much anger down on him and that would be a shame for a man who has done a lot for the club in the past.
When asked, after the West Ham game if he would consider playing Podolski in the center Wenger, rightly pointed out that with Walcott out Podolski is the only true wide player we have, he said that both Rosicky and Cazorla are really central midfielders. It is hard to argue with that assessment.
However, how often this season has he played Cazorla out on the left wing, a player who to Wengers own admittance is a central midfield player, whilst Podolski was seated on the bench? So often this season and to many of us it was clear the team lacked width with Cazorla on the left and Rosicky on the right, yet Wenger would ignore Podolski.
It makes little sense to me to prefer a central midfielder on the wing when you have a winger on the bench, one who often starts for the German national team no less. Yet his reason not to play Podolski, who is a far superior finisher than Giroud, in the center is that he is our only true winger, yet he preferred his only true winger on the bench all to often!!!???
If Wenger stays I seriously hope he finds himself a few true wide players he values enough to play most games. Is this player a Draxler? I hope so. But it is clear to me that we lack width and that we need wide players who can have a go and get behind the defenders and Rosicky and Cazorla don't do that, and Walcott can not be our only hope, it remains to be seen if he ever gets back to his former explosive self.
If you want to be dynamic, explosive and dangerous you can't field a team with 5 natural central midfielders IMO.
Massive result! Well done by the lads. We could have scored even more. Happy to see Wenger finally put his faith in Kallstrom, who didn't to too bad, and allowed Podolski more than 70 minutes. Thought Vermaelen did a decent job as well.
Next Hull, win that game and the ship might be steadied.
- Govinda Govinda Apr 15, 2014 15:01 Flag
I agree John. Although it would be seen as a demotion, in ideal world Wenger would become more involved with the academy.
I also think Wenger should not be allowed near player acquisition or sales. He should have a say in which players are brought in but after that he should have no say in how much we pay for them or in the negotiations. Not sure who should be in charge of tactics.
IMO Wenger deserves to go out on a high, win the FA cup, secure 4th and make him honorary chairman and bring in Klopp. That would be the best.
I would hate for us to miss 4th and lose the FA cup and for Wenger to be ran out of town. He has done a lot for the club and is a classy guy, and although he should not be allowed the to chose the time he leaves because he is not bigger than the club, he should be respected for his service to the club and get a proper send of.
- Govinda Govinda Apr 14, 2014 15:40 Flag
I don't see us winning tomorrow at home against West Ham. We need different tactics and we all know Wenger does not have an ability to hone in on opponents weak spots.
It is also beyond me, why in heaven's name, he ran Ramsey into the ground in his first full game back. Why play him until his legs came of. He now is a doubt against West Ham and even if he plays against West Ham he will be more likely to re-injure himself. Wenger brought in Kallstrom for Ramsey with a few minutes to go in the 2nd half of extra time. Why not take Ramsey out after 70-75 minutes and give him a better chance to figure in the West Ham game? If he did not trust Kallstrom why did he bring him in the winter? I hope I am wrong but I don't expect a win against West Ham.
Wenger said ""The main uncertainties are Monreal who had to come off with a dead leg. Podolski has a little (muscle) problem but I think he will be alright. Then there is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Ramsey (both muscle tightness). They are the main problems."
- Govinda Govinda Apr 13, 2014 15:44 Flag
I agree with you, managers - with their tactics - have such a big impact on the game. If you look at Man U as a case in point, under SAF the same squad wins the PL under Moyes they don't. If you look at what Rogers or Martinez have managed with their insightful tactics for Pool and Everton, it us undeniable IMO that managers in the modern game have such a big impact and tactics are a big part of that. Last night we switched to 4-4-2 and it paid of, when is the last time we did that?
PS why did we leave Ramsey so long on the pitch? If we don't rate Kalltrom why did we go out and get him?
For me this is an easy choice. We should prioritize the PL over the FA cup.
I am very happy we have Ramsey back and I thought for a player having been out for 3 months he looked good for as much as that is possible in 20 minutes of playing time against Everton.
West Ham are the in form team in comparison to us. In the the PL they won 6 of their last 10 games against our 3 of our last 10 games. In addition we often struggle against physical teams like Big Sam's.
For this reason I would spare or save Ramsey for the West Ham game. It is too soon to play him the full 90 minutes in both games after his long lay-off.
If it were up to me I would play Ramsey in the 2nd half against Wigan if we are not leading by 2 goals and give him no more than 45 minutes so he could be ready to play 90 minutes on the Tuesday against West Ham.
We should be able to beat Wigan without him (famous last words) but we need to be able to field the best team we can against West Ham and this might still not be enough. We can not afford to drop any points in the PL since this might very well cost us 4th and thus CL.
Who ever the manager next season, I hope with Cazorla, that he will sign top players to improve the squad, not more projects and young players in their early 20s who have not proven more than potential.
The Ozil signing had a big impact on the squad and got us out of the gates flying high. Now we need press on and bring in Draxler and a top striker before the WC gets underway.
Part of building confidence in the club and squad is continues improvements of the squad. Not only the fans look for that but also the top players in our squad look for that signal of ambition by the manager and club.
Santi Cazorla has made a statement that I am sure will rock a few Arsenal hearts and test the minds of others. In a recent interview with an independent reviewer, reporting for Sport360, the Spaniard suggested that he would consider moving to another club if Arsenal continue to fail. As he approaches 30. the midfield maestro is running out of time to add to his single intertoto cup winner’s medal and that is weighing on his mind.
Cazorla said: “I want titles and that is why I came to Arsenal. Every football player wants to win titles. We’ve gone many years without winning one. And if not, what I’ll look for in my next destination is to have the chance to win. I don’t want to close doors, but nowadays I’ve a contract with Arsenal for two more seasons. When I’m turning 31, I’ll evaluate myself and I’ll choose the best option. In which case, I would be delighted to come back [to Spain].
“We’ve been unlucky in several games. We had a lot of chances to win against Manchester United and there was Ozil’s penalty (against Bayern). We couldn’t recover after going out against Bayern in the Champions League.
“And the defeat against Stoke finished us. You can’t lose against Stoke if you aspire to be the next champion.
“We haven’t got a winning mentality and we have to believe in ourselves (more). Sometimes you can get used to not fighting, but we can’t do that. Arsenal is and will always be a historic football club, we have to look forward.
“Arsenal has everything to win. History, infrastructure, an incredible stadium and great players.
“But we have to improve at crucial moments and sign the best football players because if you don’t do that, you may lag behind others.
“That is what makes it different at other clubs. You’ve a good example in Manchester City who signed Fernandiho, (Alvaro) Negredo… or even Manchester United with (Robin) Van Persie and (Juan) Mata.
“Arsenal know what they need next season, but it’s almost impossible to win a title if...
Of course injuries hurt but I still think we should still have been able to do better than we did, particularly against Swansea and Everton. We had many internationals on the pitch and that included Vermaelen who might not be as good as Kos but is still a good player. Nacho also has many games under his belt.
This day and age teams with our ambitions should be able to rotate and not fall apart as soon as they dip into 2nd stringers. There are too many games in the season to play the same 11 all the time. For me we had plenty of talented players available and should have performed better.
Walcott and Ramsey had been out for a long time and were a big miss but it was not the first game without them. We even had talented guys on the bench, like Ox and Ramsey and even Sanogo is as good or better than Giroud.
Once you are willing to believe that the guys on the pitch this season should have been able to get results against teams like Everton, Swansea and Stoke you have to look at the reason why they did not get those results. Wenger can not be excluded from that analysis, it is not as though he inherited this squad.
If I am not mistaken, Sagna, Giroud, Mert, Vermaelen, Rosicky, Cazorla, Podolski, and Ox are all international players that play for decent countries. When ever you field 8 players that represent their countries and have played and trained together all season (infect nearly 2 seasons) you should expect better results IMO.
How else do you suggest we fix our persistent problems, if we are not willing to look at Wenger's role? There is no point in looking at our players, it is Wenger who chooses them and fields them each game and each season. So if he is of limits so is the squad. He will continue the way he has and that gives little reason to believe IMO that we will fix our short comings.
Honestly I think he is a class act and an icon and a very good manager relative to most PL managers and he deserves respect. But is he the guy we need?
No argument from me that injuries had a big impact on our season and, to me, even in his short time on the pitch, and after having been out forever, Ramsey showed us what we had missed. The question remains though, should the team we fielded against Everton have done better, should the team we played against Swansea have been able to win, or are we just that thin that there we got the max out of those players? IMO the squad we were able to field should have done a lot better. If you draw against the best team in the PL (IMO City are still the best team) at home, should we not have been able to beat Everton?
My wireless keyboard is playing up. Apologies for sloppy sentences. It is or might be a long shot but you have to admit it is much less unlikely than 2 months ago. This implosion, although not new to our us, seems more severe than usual, and not only because it has been many season since we lead the PL for as long as we did this season.
Agreed. I don't rate the FA cup and would take 4th over the FA cup any time. It is possible that by the Time City play Everton they will have won the PL. If they beat Liverpool this weekend and win their game in hand and Liverpool draw or lose to Chelsea City might have a 6 point gap by the time they play Everton which could make them less hungry.