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I don't think we would be where we are without him in the PL. He shows us what we have been missing. The question is though (to me) should we still try to sign Schneiderlin or a player like him? I think so.
Thanks for the reply John. Although I envy you for being able to go the games, I understand the mixed feelings you might have about paying for some of the performances in these big games.
From television it looked similar to what you summarized. Although I think Ozil appeared a bit unlucky with his team mates in as far as some of his passes being squandered.
Your summary could have easily been of an other Arsenal game though and that is the worry for me.
IMO the best game we played as a collective, maybe not the prettiest, was against City. We seemed to press early, move up and down the pitch as a collective, not leaving big spaces between our lines for the opponents to take advantage of and maintained focus pretty much through out the game. It almost felt a little like Barca and Bayern play as a collective and press high on the pitch. But then we never seem to play like that again despite having shown we are capable of it.
By now you know I don't think highly of Giroud and I hope we will add some depth at his position this summer, now that it seems likely Wenger won't spend on a top DM thanks to the impressive debut season of Coqleulin.
As weak as it sounds, I think the ref for the return leg of the Monaco game is going to be the determining factor. Will he allow Monaco to foul us out of our rhythm or will he hand out some early yellows to give us a chance?
I guess the reason this board is so empty is partly because there is nothing new to say about Arsenal that has not been said for the last 7 or 8 years.
It can happen you have a poor game, although it happens far too often to a team with out talent, but with a few leaders on the pitch last night does not happen. To me we lacked leaders more than anything, Leaders would have stopped this running around like a headless chicken and taken a 2-0 or 2-1 defeat.
We have too many players who go missing in the big games and to me Giroud has always been one of them. He is ok against smaller teams but he has very little technique and control.
I thought Ozil was not as bad as the press made him out and many of his passes got wasted by his team mates, but he will never be defensively what Sanchez is. He is a liability for a team with weak defending.
A few seasons ago we never thought we would be talking about Wilshire this way. About his potential etc. We expected that by now the talking would be about his actual game rather than his potential.
He should no longer get a free ride and for the moment, even if he is fit, I don't see his place in the starting 11.
The other problem Arsenal have, IMO, is that we have too many players that have similar attributes. Good technique, easily ran of the ball, small physique, not particularly pacy, preferring to play in the middle of the park.
IMO, we can only really play with a maximum of 2 such players at a time. If you consider 4 defenders and 1 DM that leaves room (ideally) for 2 small technical players, a striker and two quick wide players.
In fact I don't even think there is space for Ozil in our starting 11.
At the moment I would argue for Sanchez-Giroud-Walcott up front and Bellerin - Mert - Cos - Monreal or Gibbs in the back with Coquelin as DM.
This leaves 2 places for centrally functioning midfielders and to me on current form Cazorla is a shoe in leaving Ramsey, Wilshire, Rosicky, Ozil, Ox. When all fit my second choice would be Ox since he has pace which you need in today's game IMO.
bad result for us but the way we played we didn't deserve more IMO.
Since this board seems dead, I will spare myself the typing of what we could have tried to do to improve the second half after a poor first half.
I still think 4th is out of reach for us.
Happy New Year John and those few left on this board. I think Podolski makes us weaker in theory only. Wenger refused to play him and even chose Sanogo ahead of him.
Personally I don't think Wenger will do what it takes in the window and on the pitch. I also think he is burning out Sanchez by playing him way too much. A few weeks ago Wenger admitted Sanchez is playing in the red zone, yet with the exception of 1 CL game he has not rested him. This could come back to haunt us. Also when Ozil returns we will be even weaker defensively. So my prediction that we finish outside of the top 4 still stands.
We don't even have the budget to buy the players we need. IMO we need Schneiderlin and a top quality CB.
TBH even with our injured players fit we didn't impress.
I agree with Jacks that it was a nobrainer that we were not going to trouble Southampton throwing crosses into the box to Sanchez, Carzorla and Rosicky. I guess even Campbell has more physical presence than those three yet Campbell is an other player Wenger gives no minutes to get used to the PL.
Guess this was a fair result. Not impressed with the way this game was managed by Wenger. Why not give Campbell a chance at some point? Three small players like Carzorla, Rosicky and Alexis where never likely to bother the Southampton defense. 4th will be harder than many think and I still don't think we will finish 4th this season. And the bad news is that we didn't lose this game in defensive midfield. We were just out played by a better prepared side and more disciplined side.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 28, 2014 17:11 Flag
I think he is not much better than Giroud but I still prefer him to Giroud. Out on the wing he is not very good.
Arsenal need a quality striker. Costa would have been great. Bony would have been good but Giroud is not good enough and Welbeck doesn't get the chance. He doesn't look like he could develop into a world class striker but he still could benefit from more games in the middle.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 28, 2014 16:59 Flag
Great result!! Poor performance. Why does Wenger insist on bringing on 2 additional defenders when we lead a game in the 85 minute? It always means we start to play panic football. Defenders tend to drop back inviting all of the play to be in our half and reducing the players that can keep a ball or that can be an outlet for a pass.
Joint 4th on points!!! Beat Southampton, and Stoke next in the PL, buy Schneiderlin or an other top DM and a CD and we can begin to have some hope and ambition.
We need to play better than we have in a long time to beat West Ham but given that they compete with us for 4th this is a must win game as strange as that sounds. I am not too optimistic and hope for a late Christmas gift.
Maybe we can finally give our best goal scorer, Podolski, a chance now that Giroud conveniently got him self a winter break.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 22, 2014 16:03 Flag
I think it was a great and important result. Of course to give it away late leaves a bad taste in our mouth but like you said, if you play panic football in the last 20 minutes you are likely to concede against a better team and Liverpool had been batter all game. Liverpool trailing us in the table and possibly competing with us for 4th meant a draw was better result for us than for them.
We look likely to survive an other round in the CL but what will that lead to and will it harm our fragile squad and chances for 4th in the PL? Who knows. At this point in time I find it hard to get excited about the prospects of beating Monaco, an other mid-table average team.
I hope against reason and history that Wenger will buy a starting type caliber defensive player either CD or defensive midfielder during the January window. Schneiderlin would make me very happy.
I think Chaimbers had a stinker and I wonder if he is not, at this point, a better CD than RB. Clearly Wenger thinks Debuchy is the better CD. I also think Mertesacker is not having a great year and that is costing us even if it is in his failure to organise the defense during set pieces. I am sure it frustrating to every Arsenal fan to continue to concede from set pieces year after year. To me that should be one of the parts of the game you can practice for and improve on yet it is hard to see such improvement.
I still don't think we take 4th this season and I fear we might be exposed by West Ham. We are lucky Song is leaving for the ACN.
11 dropped points from winning positions thus far, that would have put us in contention for the PL title.
Is, IMO, that we often push our key players to the limit and beyond. Wenger admits that Sanchez is in the red zone yet he continues to play him. Being in the red zone is not about being able to chase balls as much of give 100% it is much more about becoming much more injury prone and injuries sustained whilst in the red zone generally take much longer to heal.
We should have the depth to rotate players enough so we don't need to run them into the red zone. It is better to lose Sanchez for one game than for 4 weeks. Yet this seems to be one of recuuring errors going back further than playing Fabregas until he was injured often.
To me this is not so smart given the big injury problems we have. We don't know how far we can push it? When a player is in the red zone stop pushing him at all!!!!!
Alexis Sanchez will be given next week off after Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger admitted his £30million man is in the ‘red zone’.
The Chile international has been one of the stars of the season so far following his switch from Barcelona. But, including internationals, Sanchez has played 27 games since August, and this has taken a toll.
And Wenger will rest the striker after today’s clash with Stoke.Arsenal head to Turkey on Monday for their Champions League clash against Galatasaray, but Sanchez will stay in London.
‘Sanchez is in the red zone, you can see when he plays, but he can dig deep.
He played his 27th game on Wednesday (against Southampton) since the start of the season. Unfortunately you never know how far you can push it.
‘We are not scientific enough to predict that completely but he recovers very quickly.’