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Sfer 244 posts  |  Last Activity: Mar 11, 2014 11:15 Member since: Apr 30, 2012
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  • Are all the players we spent millions on really not good enough to play for Tim Sherwood? Or is that he is trying to prove a point? We bought several International midfielders but ended up playing our own International Right Back in midfield against a team that might well win the PL. In terms of style I think we have gone backwards. We don't play attractive, passing, fluid, fast breaking football anymore. Don't get me wrong, I like Sherwood, but has he got the experience to make the right team selections and tactical changes? I am really not sure.

  • So, everybody and his dog knows we are desperately short of a left back and Bertrand is allowed to slip under our noses to Villa. OK Chelski may have not allowed him to come to Spurs but I doubt that plus Bertrand would not have had to move house so he would probably have preferred coming to us. Are we asleep?

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    AVB and his success

    by Sfer Dec 18, 2013 16:32

    #$%$....

  • Ok, so some think AVB was not that bad and that he should have been given more time. If that is the case how about some of those people actually telling the rest of us a few facts about what AVB actually did right?

    Apart from SOMETIMES playing players in their proper position (something which he probably got right by mistake) what else did he do? Did he play fast attractive attacking football? Did he get enough players in the box when we attacked? Did he play a sweeper behind his high defensive line to avoid getting caught on the break? Did he play right footed wingers on the right or left footed wingers on the left? Did he make sensible substitutions at the right time? Did he play the same players regularly in order that they get used to each other and feel confident? Did he accept the blame when things went wrong or did he blame the fans and hint that the club had bought players he didn't want? Did he buy enough cover at left back when everybody was talking about the need to do exactly that? Did he manage to get the players motivated to play for him and the club? Did he relegate Freund as soon as the heat started as a way of deflecting any blame from himself? Did he take some time to see what he had before trying to sell the Club captain and then putting him back in the side? Did he adopt the trendy lone striker formation because we had a striker that was used to playing on his own or because he just thought it was fashionable in Spain?

    C'mon, I am dying to know what this tactical genius actually got right. Apart of course from negotiating a very handsome leaving present.

    He must be the first manager of a PL team to actually moan about the fact that his club was buying so many highly rated players from around Europe. I didn't hear him saying publicly "please stop buying all of these multi million pound players" when they were coming through the door faster that the post. I DID hear him moan about the fact that we missed out on Willian - strange that.

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    AVB gone - but is it right?

    by Jlock Dec 16, 2013 11:55

    As usual John, you have not answered my question. I agree that there are people you can dislike but respect, Fergie is one for me, but you said you disliked him AND didn't think he would turn it around and my point was - if you didn't like him and didn't think he would make a success of it then why would you give him even more time to make an even bigger mess of it? Its just not a sensible thought process other than for the sake of being "fair". Being "fair" would probably mean losing more games and wasting even more time and money. Sensible.

    And 1) Of course any new manager is going to make changes. What, you would prefer we have a new manager that follows exactly what the previous failed manager did? That makes sense. Yes shame about the £100 mill but unless ALL of the players we bought with it fail, which is very unlikely, it has not all been wasted. As for giving AVB time to see if those new players worked out, well, he wasn't playing them all the time was he and even when he did he played them out of position so you would never have known that.

    2) Everybody has a different view of what success looks like and we have not achieved what, by most peoples standard, could be regarded as success with any manager. Only Arry did what many think was a good job. My point was that a new manager very often has an initial good run, bringing in new ideas and trying new things - think Di Mateo at Chelsea. I am not over optimistic either but I do know that IMO AVB was never going to work so anybody new has one over on him straight away.

    You said with conviction that we WOULD be taking a step back. I asked how you knew that and you have failed to answer with anything other than more empty words. Only time will tell if we have or not unless you have a crystal ball.

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    AVB gone - but is it right?

    by Jlock Dec 16, 2013 11:55

    I bet Whinger isn't after that thrashing and CL draw!!

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    AVB gone - but is it right?

    by Jlock Dec 16, 2013 11:55

    There are no 100% right or wrong decisions here but you admit you dislike AVB and his style of football and that view is shared by many people, fans, experts and neutrals and presumably as well, the Board. When you employ anybody there is always a risk. I know I have employed people who I thought were worth the risk only to be let down very quickly. No point in keeping them, even though it cost me money, so let them go. Nothing different with Football Managers. You could argue that the risk was bigger with AVB because of his age, lack of experience and what happened at Chelsea but Levy and the Board decided to take that risk and it failed. They have made themselves look silly by failing but ultimately it is not them that pays the price, its the Manager, team and fans. You also, on balance, don't think AVB would have turned it around. Again, nor did many people and particularly the ones that count, so the decision to let him go was made that bit easier. I don't understand how on one hand you don't like him, don't like the way he had our team playing, don't think he would turn it around BUT would still give him more time. More time to make the whole situation worse if your feelings about him are correct. That makes sense!! IMO he lost the players and when that happens there is only one solution. I don't understand the whole Director of Football bit especially when they are in control of who the team buys but it is very convenient for a failing Manager when that is the case as its an ideal excuse. You say in your first post that we will now be taking "another step back". How do you know that? We might of course but there is just as much chance that we take a step forward as often happens when a poor manager goes to be replaced with someone new who the players have respect for, even if that does turn out to be a short lived honeymoon period. As usual John, I find your arguments full of holes, confusing and contradictory almost as if it is done deliberately.

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    AVB gone - but is it right?

    by Jlock Dec 16, 2013 11:55

    Yes it was bloody well right. Yes levy and the Board should also take some blame but it was AVB that picked the team, played players out of position, went with one small striker, played wingers on the wrong wings, made bizarre substitutions, kept switching the players so often they didn't know if they were coming or going, didn't buy support defenders when we had the chance, instead buying more and more midfielders and wingers. He thought 20 off target shots from outside the box was a good statistic. Hardly any crosses (because the wingers were cutting back on their preferred foot) and even if they had crossed, there was hardly anyone in the box anyway. AVB took a team which was looking good, attacking quickly on the break, and turned them into a team that looked completely lost. There is never a good time to replace a manager but the £100 mill has given us a strong squad - it just needs a manager that can make the most of it and AVB was never that. He is too smug, arrogant and full of himself. I have said from the start that he always looked like he knew a secret that nobody else knew about how to play football....well, if he does, he certainly missed a golden opportunity to prove it didn't he.

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    Team formation, wingers and the lack of chances

    by Sfer Nov 5, 2013 10:05

    So, I hate to say it but, at last others are starting to realise AVB does not know what he is doing despite that smug "I know a football secret you other mugs don't" look on his face. And it looked yesterday that the players have realised it too. Beating Anzi on Thursday was not anything to be optimistic about. I was there and we played ok against a side that would be fighting relegation in our Championship. Our team does not look like it knows what it is supposed to be doing, players and styles swapped more times than Labour policies. I notice AVB has already started laying the blame at Baldini's door. And even if AVB had the humility to look for advice, where does he go? Freund????? I said upon AVB's appointment, I didn't like him, he had no right to be feted as a genius based on what he had achieved and that he would upset the team as he did at Chelski. I take no pride in saying I was right - I would much more happily been saying I was wrong if Spurs were where they should be playing attractive football. Some hope!!!!

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    What 6-0 to citeh and no comments....?

    by Jlock Nov 25, 2013 07:28

    Erm, I am not sure that is a good example Fab. Hull...at home...Bendtner....2-0?? I was embarrassed to see Adebyor come on for us but I would be cringing if it were Bendtner. As I said, your lot are playing really well but the real test will be against the top teams when you have a couple of injuries to key players. IMO Ar$e don't seem to have another gear that they can shift into when needed. Citeh do and for that reason, I have my money on them to win the PL.

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    What 6-0 to citeh and no comments....?

    by Jlock Nov 25, 2013 07:28

    And deservedly so Fab. Your lot are playing really well, full of confidence which is what happens when winning, and Ramsay is an unexpected source of goals. Can you keep it up? Not sure, especially if you get a couple of injuries as you don't have much depth in the squad but at the moment....credit where it is due!

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    What 6-0 to citeh and no comments....?

    by Jlock Nov 25, 2013 07:28

    Ok so lets just look at what we actually know. First, AVB had a couple of good seasons with the Man U of Portugal which many people could argue a chimp could manage. Second, he came to Chelski and upset the players, played negative football and was dumped before he could do more damage. Third, he arrives at Spurs apparently having learnt his lesson about upsetting the senior players at Chelski and immediately tries to sell fans favourite, Dawson, but then when that fails makes him Captain. Bale goes - not his fault - and he at least has a hand in the buying of several very expensive players. He then decides that the attacking style we used to some success is not what he wants. He plays one striker whose success was always with another striker and plays him on his own. He plays a right footed winger on the left and a left footed winger on the right meaning very few crosses and even fewer of any quality and because we have 2 wingers only one player is in the box against at least 2 or 3 or even 4 defenders. Those wingers come inside most of the time. The defenders know this and play accordingly. The space on the edge of the defensive box is crowded meaning shots are mainly from outside the box by players not known for scoring. The full backs are encouraged to get forward meaning the two centre halves have to go wide to cover them leaving a gap of 50 yards between them which attackers just love. AVB switches players around like chess pieces trying desperately to find success. This means players don't have the chance to "gel" resulting in lots of sideways and backward passes. The player that we have been trying to off load due to lack of effort is recalled in desperation (Adebyor) much to everybody's amazement and our oppositions amusement. Everybody knows we are short at left back but he spends all the money on even more midfielders which means, when Rose is injured, we have to play one of our best CB's at LB. When will we wake up and get rid of this idiot? Freund!! NO!

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    Team formation, wingers and the lack of chances

    by Sfer Nov 5, 2013 10:05

    Well if anybody wanted an example of what I was saying, then last night was it. Left footed Lamala on the right wing cutting in every single time. Walker going past him but not getting one single cross in. And even if he did there was lonely little Defoe with at least 4 big defenders around him. Even the commentators were talking about it. It was even worse on the left with right footed Naughton and Sigurdson not getting to the by line once. We were squashed into the middle, with all the relevant opposition markers, like pigs in a pen. They were a poor side and we made them look as good as us. Something has to change but unfortunately I am not sure the super arrogant AVB will even contemplate that he might be wrong about his team selection and tactics. Dembele was a waste of space giving the ball away more than any other players on the park. Erikson was not much better. But is that their fault? They got the ball looked up to try and find a forward pass only to see little Defoe surrounded by defenders so they had no choice but to hit a short sideways/backwards pass OR give it to a winger only to find them running back inside straight at them. At one point 3 of our players bumped into each other!! Shocking!

  • Soldado looks fed up and who can blame him. We are currently playing with two wingers - no problem with that per se, but we have a right footed winger playing on the left and a left footed winger playing on the right. This is ok for the odd occasion that they cut inside (as Townsend does regularly) and has a shot (Lennon does this quite rarely) but when the full back shows them down the line there is no end result i.e. a cross because they don't feel comfortable kicking the ball with the wrong foot, or, if they do attempt it, it is not usually a quality cross anyway. This results in them cutting back and playing a short pass back or inside.

    The cycle then begins again with us trying to force a move through the middle in a congested area full of midfielders and centre backs. One of our great successes last year was our ability to break with speed, get a cross in and score. Now, we are not breaking as quickly with wingers who are trying almost every time to come inside and shoot - a skill which, unlike Bale, they are struggling with.

    AVB is sticking with the lone striker which means we usually only have one striker in the box at any one time. If the system is right and working, this is fine but with the wingers on the wrong wings no crosses are coming in and no chances created. This cannot go on forever. Our lack of chances and consequent lack of goals will cost us time and time again.

    AVB has to decide what he wants - two wrong sided wingers, a low chance created record and a fingers crossed high conversion rate and one frustrated striker OR one winger swapping sides, two wingers playing on their stronger foot, two strikers in the box with one midfielder being sacrificed.

    One thing is shining out loud and clear - to me anyway - the current formation and system is not working.

  • I know I have to be careful because Ar$e are having so much luck in the PL at the moment BUT I can't help smiling after the 1-2 loss last night. There is nothing more satisfying that seeing that smug look on Whingers face being replaced by one of faux disgust. Jumping up and down wearing that stupid caterpillar coat making "angry" look like "slightly miffed". I didn't like Fergie but I respected his record whereas Whinger has not got anything to be proud of really has he but he thinks he is special. The look on the Ar$e spectators faces was priceless! - "oh no, here we go again, sob sob - another trophyless season". Love it.

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    Townsend Tricky One.

    by Alan H Oct 17, 2013 21:25

    As an old girlfriend (she was 73) of mine used to say..."one swallow does not a summer make" .....but it made my night! It is far too early to be calling Townsend a superstar. He is good and he could get better but lets wait and see before we start predicting the coming of a Messiah.

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    West Ham

    by Cockney Conman Oct 6, 2013 18:19

    Regardless Fab, Ar$e scored their only goal as a result of a very lucky deflection whilst Spurs suffered the loss of two very lucky goals that on another day would have not happened whilst the third only came about because our defence was attacking trying to get back into the game. I just hope that at some point during the season we get some good luck and Ar$e surfer some of the bad luck we have had.

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    West Ham

    by Cockney Conman Oct 6, 2013 18:19

    Only saw the highlights and they looked like we should have been 2 or 3 up by the time they scored their first. Both their first two goals were very lucky and the third would not have happened if we were 2 or 3 up with more defenders back instead of marauding forward. In contrast, Ar$e yet again have a lucky deflected goal to save them a point. We have got to get that winning at all costs mentality otherwise we will end up missing out AGAIN and that, after all the money and changes, would be a disaster. I still have a question mark over AVB. Is he getting the best out of the team? Are his tactics right? I am not sure.
    ps. Was Walker way out of position when Vaz Te was put through? Becoming a bit of a habit perhaps.

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    Spurs are doing well.

    by FABONGRASS Sep 30, 2013 07:01

    Oh oh!! its gone up to 54%....not much confidence out there other than from deluded Ar$e fans!

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    Spurs are doing well.

    by FABONGRASS Sep 30, 2013 07:01

    Oh Fab, Fab, Fab!! The one thing you won't find is a Spurs fan crowing - we have not had anything to crow about have we- but there you are coming on to the Spurs board dripping in self congratulatory smugness with only a handful of games gone. Well, I suggested you tone it down a bit but you obviously are not going to take that advice and therefore the fall and inevitable embarrassment that will follow will be even more enjoyable.
    Did you see that poll on MSN? The one where they asked people what Ar$e would win this year and listed everything that was possible? 42% said NOTHING with a few votes each for everything else. Until Ar$e win something, which I really cannot see happening, you shouldn't get too excited and you certainly should not come on here shouting about how good you are. But you will. Bless!!