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Wise Son 2865 posts  |  Last Activity: Jan 14, 2014 08:47 Member since: Jul 5, 2006
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    Man City

    by Roy Jan 13, 2014 09:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 14, 2014 08:47 Flag

    Fair point.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 13, 2014 14:09 Flag

    You've tried all these dances before, Fab. I'm done trying to teach you our shared history.

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    Man City

    by Roy Jan 13, 2014 09:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 13, 2014 14:03 Flag

    OK, so there's an assumption of interfering with play if they're, say, in the penalty area and offside, but outside, if they're not actually involved with the play, we lean towards not-interfering?

    That has possibilities.

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    Man City

    by Roy Jan 13, 2014 09:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 13, 2014 13:07 Flag

    Fine idea in theory, but how do you accommodate goalies that would just point claim someone was 'interfering with play' every time, just like attacking players calling for a penalty every time they're taken down in the penalty box?

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 13, 2014 01:42 Flag

    You're another one who I''ve tried to educate on this subject before, and clearly you ignored everything. Some people have no drive for self-improvement, I suppose.

    Try again - Trans-Atlantic slave trade.

    Also, 'mud hut dwellers'? If you can't be historically-accurate (and this isn't), at least try to be original (which this also isn't).

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 13, 2014 01:35 Flag

    If you've read my other responses, you can see just how much you missed the point with this reply.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 13, 2014 01:34 Flag

    You've done this dance with me before - the difference between the industrialised Trans-Atlantic slave trade and slavery as practiced by European, Asian and African cultures prior to that, the role of European countries, including Britain in the trade, the long-term consequences of slavery on post-slavery Black culture...

    At the time I assumed you were just ignorant, but now I can see you're just determined to keep up whatever agenda you've got. I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate you again. Just look up our old discussions on the off-chance you're interested in learning something about a subject which your knowledge of is clearly sorely lacking.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 12, 2014 13:07 Flag

    ""racist comments from blacks against whites should be criminal....just as they are from whites to blacks."

    ......that's neither polite nor impolite...that's just plain wrong..."

    Exactly. It's not, and shouldn't be a crime.
    Racial abuse, sure.
    Racial harassment, sure.
    Racially-motivated violence, definitely.

    But racist thoughts or comments? No one wants that.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 11, 2014 12:22 Flag

    The British helped start the slave trade. The individuals who campaigned against it, and the ex-slaves who they worked with, deserve credit for ending it, but not the British establishment.

    And, like Fab, you are choosing to read 'instrumental' as 'solely responsible for'. Why you would choose o misread what I wrote in that way is a mystery for the ages.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 11, 2014 12:21 Flag

    The British, Portugese, French and Belgians created the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, and the British transported (killing half the cargo) and profited from transporting around 2.5 million of the 4 million transported.

    Instrumental.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 11, 2014 12:15 Flag

    " I think her comments on race and Whites make her a Racist and to me that is criminal. "
    Wow.
    People should be criminalised for saying things you don't like about white people.

    I'm not sure how to deal with such a level of over-sensitivity, so I think it's safer to just put you on ignore.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 11, 2014 12:14 Flag

    It's impressive how much you feel entitled to say about black people, while knowing so little about black people.

    And yeah... you've missed me.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 12:20 Flag

    You've missed me, haven't you?

    I haven't defended Duggan, and the chip on the shoulder thing is standard racist-deflection technique 101. I don't expect better from you.

    Considering blacks are targeted disproportionately by police pretty much everywhere, you can maybe relax on the race-war fantasies. Seriously, it'll lower your blood pressure.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 12:15 Flag

    Definitely ill-judged, even ignorant, as Finnish MPs described her, but not racist.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 12:11 Flag

    Well, the British were instrumental in founding the slave trade, which formed the basis of the modern view of race we have (that some (White) are better, and others are progressively lesser).

    Establishing that view made racism possible, so yes, if you know your history, she's right again.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 11:35 Flag

    First off, you said 'criminal'. Is that a claim you're backing down on?

    Also, I know her comments, I think a couple were ill-judged, a couple were dead-on, and none were racist.

    I think putting her son's interests ahead of her political statements can be seen as moral or immoral, depending on your perspective, and you clearly are not sympathetic to her, so I can see how you arrive at your views. I disagree, though.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 11:31 Flag

    Agreed that I don't have much sympathy for Duggan, but again, no one deserves to be shot without a clear reason.

    Also agreed on the fact that there needs to be an investigation on how the Police conducted themselves before and after the shooting, especially with the lies about the circumstances that they presented to the public and the family.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 11:28 Flag

    "A fondness" implies it happened more than once.

    Racist comments? Nah.

    Anyway, in regards to what I asked, not a criminal. Just checking.

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    The Verdict

    by Roy Jan 8, 2014 16:14
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 09:04 Flag

    I disagree with... pretty much everything there, but I have to ask:

    "the criminal that is Diane Abbot"
    Diane Abbot's one of the good MPs as far as I have seen. She actually works for her constituents, and seems generally pretty principled. What crime are you saying she committed?

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    Just done a bit of looking

    by Roy Jan 4, 2014 13:52
    Wise Son Wise Son Jan 9, 2014 00:00 Flag

    Cheers, but I wasn't actually able to log in over the Christmas period.

    Hmm, so I guess I should say:
    Merry Christmas;
    Happy New Year;
    That was a good result;
    That was a disappointing result;
    I think Moyes needs to be given more time;
    Welbeck's been playing really well;
    Looks like the board's been going... about as well as I remember.