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kht20 230 posts  |  Last Activity: Jun 2, 2010 19:25 Member since: Aug 31, 2005
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  • So Keith Lamb has warned the club's players only their hard work and commitment will see them return to the Premier League. Well that includes him and the best way he can do it is to stop meddling with contracts, players etc and stick to bean counting, and stock control of the drinking straws and sugar portions in the bars and cafes in the Riverside. The present position of the club must be down to him in part and just as Southgate should have fallen on his sword, so should he following relegation. You bring nothing to the party Mr Lamb and your inane comments are an insult to players and supporters alike. Comments such as the above are the province of the Chairman, Manager or Team Captain not some calculater pilot who is the luckiest man on Teeside given the current jobless situation there.

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    Strachan for Southgate! Big mistake!

    by A Yahoo! User Mar 17, 2010 16:55

    Through gritted teeth I offer Newcastle congratulations on achieving promotion at the first attempt. The ease with which they have achieved it just shows how poor the Championship is and that also illustrates how bad Boro have been and I am afraid continue to be. With a very inexperienced manager, who incidentally I've never seen in a suit, a disinterested owner and a lap dog for a CEO, they have succeeded where Boro have failed miserably and through it all the vast majority of their supporters have turned up week in and week out. What lesson do we learn from this, that good guys, like Steve Gibson, don't always win. However I would like to predict that come the start of the new season, Ashley probably won't be the owner of NUFC and Hughton certainly won't be manager.

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    Strachan for Southgate! Big mistake!

    by A Yahoo! User Mar 17, 2010 16:55
    kht20 kht20 Mar 25, 2010 17:10 Flag

    Amen to that! If it sees more national players emerging from acadamies properly financed by clubs, that will be a welcome step back to move forward.

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    Strachan for Southgate! Big mistake!

    by A Yahoo! User Mar 17, 2010 16:55
    kht20 kht20 Mar 24, 2010 15:36 Flag

    Boro may have been third in the League but the home form was abysmal. The core fans were giving Southgate no quarter whatsoever and were not in the mood to forgive him for taking the club down. Nothing he seemed to do last season worked in terms of changing things around and in the end there was no fight in the team and they whimpered into the Championship. It was at times humiliating. He should have gone in January, and as a proud articulate man I was surprised he didn't. The loss of players with the exception of Downing was quite frankly a blessing if inevitable, but Southgate seemed to clutch at straws with the players he brought in on loan, Kitson, Foran to name but two were disinterested to say the least. But Gibson read the signs from the fans just as he had with Bryan Robson and Southgate had to go. Whether he would have pulled through we'll never know, but his past record over two years suggested he would not have. But Boro are were they are, and no amount of navel gazing is going to make a difference. I think Gibson in his heart is hoping Boro get into the playoffs, and they certainly have a chance, but his head tells him if they don't the team will be better prepared and stronger next season. He knows if they go up at the end of ths season he has to spend big to avoid being just relegation fodder and has he got the money or the stomach for that?

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    Strachan for Southgate! Big mistake!

    by A Yahoo! User Mar 17, 2010 16:55
    kht20 kht20 Mar 22, 2010 23:04 Flag

    They say Good Guys always win, but I'm afraid this is one example of this definitely not being the case.
    Steve Gibson, recognised as one of the best Chairman in football, who sticks by his managers, through the tough times against fly by night Mike Ashley who buys Newcastle on the premise of making a fast buck.

    Ashley parachutes in Wise and a number of other highly paid wastes of space, alienates a decent manager and insults the fans, renames SJP, promises much in the way of finance and delivers nothing. Along the way he appoints four managers in a season and is rejected by at least as many again and he upsets the clubs icon. His team is relegated, and he offers the club up for sale to anyone who can raise a third of his investment, yet the players stay, the fans by and large stick by their team despite cries of the opposite, and low and behold they are all but promoted by February.
    Gibson on the other hand plays everything with a straight bat, but has to offload players as his personal fortune is obviously depleted. He has to sack a good manager because the gates are dropping despite being in the top three of the league. Boro fans desert in droves, causing even more financial problems. And there is no realistic chance of the playoffs never mind automatic promotion, but Gibson sticks by his club because he is a life long fan and not just a chancer.
    Some times it pays to be an arrogant bastard it seems because good guys don't always win.

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    timt to get ugly article

    by expat_smoggie Feb 27, 2010 01:39

    How right you are r.p.mcmurphy. Newcastle Utd management is indeed an example of wannabes thinking they are somebodies. With the fantastic, even fanatical support, the club enjoys, Ncle Utd should be a regular top premiership six club, but successive boards have mortgaged everyone's soul but their own in persuit of glory for themselves. It came home to roost last season. Now with an unassuming manager (not a big name) who knows about hard work they are flying.
    Boro on the other hand do not the fanatical support in sufficient numbers and so as your granny says have to cut the coat to suit the cloth. Boro wil never be a 'big' club, but they could win cups, as has been proved and finish in the top half of the EPL table year on year, bringing on young exciting players as has also been proved. But if mercenaries like Viduka, Yakubu etc want to jump ship for bigger wages, let them go.
    Both clubs and their supporters needed a reality check and others will no doubt need to too, we've got our reality checks over and done with and can build for the future.

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    timt to get ugly article

    by expat_smoggie Feb 27, 2010 01:39

    And whilst we are on, lets us abolish child poverty, desease across the world, famine etc etc. I am afraid what you suggest expat_smoggie is just not feasible. JlWebber does make some good points, and he is one of the few commentators on the Boro message board who do consistently. But when it comes to players contracts, they are legal documents and confidential, and in reality would we want them any other way. I read the other day that a now infamous Chelsea player from his reported £170,000 per week actually picked up about £40,000 after tax and NI, paying his agent, pension etc. Now admittedly £40k is still a huge amount of money some would say for kicking a ball around and this income is augmented by off-field sponsorships etc, but its less than 25% of the headline figure. As to Alves and Mido, both were flops in terms of their Boro career, but who chose them, who drafted their contracts, who agreed to the wages, and who agreed to the somewhat ridiculous clauses that allow them to be paid by Boro when not kicking a ball for them. In my opinion Mido should have been brought back and made to fulfill his contract or sacked for misconduct if he refused, agreed, but you cannot blame the players for what is inserted in their contracts, you have to blame the scouts whi first drew the player to the clubs attention, the manager who put his case to buy the player and the senior management for signing the contract.

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    Bagpipes And Kilts

    by Alan H Jan 14, 2010 09:23
    kht20 kht20 Jan 16, 2010 00:19 Flag

    Like the way you do the maths Doug....do you want to look after my bank account???

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    5 Defeats, 2 draws & 1 win

    by expat_smoggie Dec 21, 2009 00:57

    I hope the rumours have substance CJ, Boro supporters owe an immense debt to Steve Gibson and one which could never be repaid, however it is clear he has not the edge he once had because perhaps of the effect of the economic downturn on his finances or his recent personal domestic issues. May be it is time for some new blood to come into the 'boardroom' and it would be tremendous if it was locally based. I had mused that new investment may come from Indian sources (owners of Corus), but after their decisions concerning the steelworks I'm not sure that would be a good idea from a stability point of view.
    It is clear something is needed in the form of funds and new enthusiam to excite the fans. We all had plenty of laughs at the expense of the Newcastle supporters in recent months, however they are in a a great position now despite a very dodgy owner and a rookie manager. Boro should be in a top league position challenging for automatic promotion, at the current rate they will have difficulty in making the playoffs

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    Southgate Sacked.... so who is taking over?

    by kht20 Oct 21, 2009 14:23
    kht20 kht20 Dec 30, 2009 20:02 Flag

    Old topic, but still relevant!
    I note Bolton have sacked Megson as he has 'lost' the fans, if he ever had them in the first place, and Bolton have dropped into the bottom three. If only Steve Gibson had been similarly motivated in December 2008!!!!!!

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    Dear oh dear... what IS happening

    by kht20 Nov 9, 2009 20:13
    kht20 kht20 Dec 17, 2009 19:51 Flag

    Me neither CJ. Boro will struggle to get into and stay in the play off places unless & until they stop throwing points away at home. Steve Gibson is going to have to spend in January to bring in some quality players capable of getting the team to the top six. At the same time I can see a couple of quality players leaving, but in fairness they haven't been focussed for some time. I can see a clear out too of some dross on free transfers or for very modest sums.
    I was an advocate of Strachan when Southgate was sacked, now I am not sure his heart is in it. He has come out with some really crass and unwise statements recently which do nothing to give the supporters confidence.

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    Dear oh dear... what IS happening

    by kht20 Nov 9, 2009 20:13

    You misunderstand me 'Tad', I was not suggesting he comes back to Boro, only naming him as the type of player Boro could do with now, i.e. a create midfielder who could score goals and lead from the front..

  • So it seems Fulham manager was watching Gary O'Neil yesterday prior to putting in a bid in January. We already know Johnson has not been offered sufficient financial incentive to stay and is free to go in May and Wheater too is interesting several EPL clubs.
    To me the answer is simple in the case of O'Neil and Wheater if Boro are serious about getting promotion in May, Mr Gibson tells it loud and clear.... NO SALE at any price until the end of the season. As to Johnson, if he wants to go .. let him for £6m otherwise he stays too.
    However Boro need a winning run similar to Newcastle, there is nothing takes a players mind off moving than being part of a winning team, and that goes for loan players too.

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    Dear oh dear... what IS happening

    by kht20 Nov 9, 2009 20:13

    My point was, I don't think Boro have the time, and I agree Strachan as manager is irreleveant to this. Come January, Boro can approach players with the pitch that they are a Premiership side albeit in the Championship, a 'big' club looking to get back immediately. Experienced players will buy that and give it chance and young up and coming players will accept a move as a step up.
    Boeteng in his prime was majestic and we could certainly do with his equivalent now, I'm not sure about Digard who shows promise and definately improves the side when he is in it, but is he injury prone? Where is there a Merson when you need one. I agree we do give the ball away far too easily and put pressure on a good defence who by the nature of things are bound to make mistakes occasionaly and which usually are shown up be the opposition scoring.
    Is the midfield weak or lacking in confidence and leadership?

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    Dear oh dear... what IS happening

    by kht20 Nov 9, 2009 20:13

    I'm not sure where you are going with this one CJ, you seemed to be resigned to years in the wilderness. If Boro are not promoted this season or at least next, I can't see it happening at all, and I am NOT prepared to pay out good, hard earned money for mediocrity. Newcastle couldn't win an argument last season. West Brom beat Boro twice, but still finished below Boro, yet look at both teams now.... flying!! I don't believe Boro have enough players that either believe or care enough to get promotion. Some players seemed to be of the opinion that they will move as soon as the transfer window opens, whereas at Newcastle the players are so embarrassed to be in the Championship they are grafting for an inexperienced fifth choice manager and the worst Chairman in football to get out of it. Yo yo club West Brom have players who have been in the Championship before and know how to graft to get out of it even if they are likely to come down again in a season or two. I think Gibson is going to have authorise and finance some big signings either from the EPL or divisions below in January to turn Boro around. Has he the funds to do this? Unless Boro sign some midfield craft and some goal hungry forwards I can see mediocrity being the future for some time to come, but I for one will not be paying for it.

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    Dear oh dear... what IS happening

    by kht20 Nov 9, 2009 20:13
    kht20 kht20 Nov 19, 2009 17:10 Flag

    I think you are missing the point here kwj200. OK, so Strachan hasn't held a managers job at one of the top clubs in the EPL, but he has learned his craft or served his 'apprenticeship' at a couple of English clubs before moving to the top job in Scottish football where he won trophies and enjoyed some if limited European experience. Southgate had absolutely no experience at managing anywhere and the EPL is not the league to cut one's managerial teeth on. Strachan knows what is is like to win, he is used to dealig with players as a manager and irrespective of his methods he can motivate. Southgate had lost a big section of the crowd, some would say he never quite had them, and his judgement at times was suspect. Strachan will not make elementary mistakes and he should command the respect of players as a gaffer not a mate from the changing room. He has some quite hard tasks ahead, in getting Boro winning at home and on the road and therefore climbing up the table to challenge for promotion. He has to convince Johnson and perhaps a couple of others their immediate future is at Boro. He needs to attract and get the funding for a top striker and a creative midfield player. One thing I think has probably changed, and that is Gibson will not be so patient from hereon in. Lets give the guy a chance, what he has done or hasn't done is irrelevant, its what he does at Boro that counts.

  • OK,,,, so I know its only been two matches, but Boro are going backwards. Boro might well have been in this position if Southgate had stayed at the helm, we'll never know, but what I am sure of is this team is dreadfully short of confidence and Strachan will have to build it back up again. It may be that the team is upset about Southgate, but I doubt it, it may be that a number of them are going to leave and so why risk injury, it may be that they feel under pressure to deliver particulalry at home whatever it is up to Strachan to get to the bottom of it. Finally Boro still have not solved the goal scorer problem on a regular basis, So Mr Strachan, use your international experience and pull in one or two big names who are proven goal scorers and need to play themselves back into their teams initially on loan regardless of cost e.g. Van Nistelrooy. Fanciful??

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    Best Goal Celebrations?

    by A Yahoo! User Oct 29, 2009 01:59
    kht20 kht20 Oct 29, 2009 19:00 Flag

    You're on the wrong board here with this post and request mate, we long suffering Boro fans have seen few goals over the past couple of seasons be able to marvel in wonderment at the celebrations of the scorers

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    About Bloody Time

    by Alan H Oct 21, 2009 18:55
    kht20 kht20 Oct 27, 2009 17:41 Flag

    For the sake of the supporters, the players, the manager, and the media, Steve Gibson needs to publically state unequivocably " We do not need to sell any players to finance any new players coming in in January. No players will leave Boro unless they are surplus to our requirements and our objective of securing promotion this season". We do not need clubs such as Wigan and Everton, to name but two, unsettling Adam Johnson and he in particular needs to be told, as was Downing, there is no possibility of you leaving until June at the earliest.

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    Moving Backwards

    by R Oct 23, 2009 01:10
    kht20 kht20 Oct 23, 2009 18:10 Flag

    Curbishley turned the job down twice, and I can't see Steve Gibson asking a third time. Southgate is a decent guy, a good ambassador for football and in many ways I am sad he has gone, but he has and there's an end to it. Strachan was my first thought, with plenty of club experience as a player and manager. I think he will be breath of fresh air to Boro. He and Martin O'Neal, another possible manager to turn Gibson down, are similar in their passion and enthusiasm. With a war-chest from SG lets see who he can bring in in January