Arsenal Message Board
Why would i 'eat humble pie'? That suggests i have made some sort of claim, which i have not.
You are correct, Arsenal may well end up 5th, or even lower. That's football.
You placed that bet on United winning titles again from next season yet Rikki? Or are you baking yourself a nice pie.
To be fair the game was won and the lads fought hard to come back from 1 down. The second Swansea goal was a comedy of errors, a rebound onto an incoming player. That can and does happen to the very best, most in form teams.
I just hope the lads can salvage some pride against City.
"Yikes! ..... You can wish until hell freezes over - it's not going to happen."
Everton are now six points behind with a game in hand, your next two games are City, this weekend, and Everton the next, so, by 3:30pm, April 6th, Arsenal could be fifth, with Everton still having a game in hand.
Slayer, Gillian and the Midget can then eat their Humble Pie whilst certain people hurt themselves laughing!
Wenger's idiotic decisions not strengthen the depth of the side with real quality contributed largely to this failure than the injuries to key players.
It saddens me to say but Wenger hasn't learned a thing about previous seasons collapse. I for one I've had enough of these recurring rubbish, enough is enough.
But the wheels are coming of, as they do each season at some point. The players on the pitch today should have been good enough to be able to win this game. No excuse. I'll refrain from further comment for now as I don't want to unload my frustration on this forum and will take a timeout before I comment further.
I never place bets. Gambling is a mugs game.
I never predict the future either. Only an idiot would claim they knew what the future held after all.
That makes you a mug and an idiot Rikki.
Have fun posting to yourself some more now huh.
Wassup, Midget, you thought these remarks were hilarious when United lost to Liverpool, so how come you're not laughing now, lost your sense of "humour"?
In all fairness, it seems to me that even if Wenger realized what game Moureen was playing it was over befrore he could really respond IMO. You go down 1-0 to a Moureen team playing at home inside 5 minutes and it is all over you go down 2-0 inside 8 minutes, there is not much left to save if you ask me.
Sure you can try to prevent the 6-0 by closing up shop but what does that really do?
It seems to me, he should have brought on Flamini as left back when Gibbs went of rather than Thomas V. Flamini has been a good left back and is more of leader and we needed a leader. But in the end this would have been rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic if you ask me.
The big mistake IMO was the starting line-up and was playing too attacking from the get go. I had hoped, and even posted, that we try to sit back and defend and see if we can hit them on the break. A win was more important to Moureen than to us IMO. Had we defended as a team, Chelsea would have had to play on our half in less space and would have had to take more risks. It doesn't look pretty but we are capable of doing it. We did it against Spurs and have done it more often this season once we take a lead. It plays to our strengths with regard our defenders and our lack of pace at the moment.
Well let's hope it does not happen again - getting caught out like this. And lets hope we will not play with the break on against City the way we did against ManU after the previous shock defeat. But first things first - a win tonight would go a long way to steadying the ship.
You can't blame a 6-0 defeat on tactics by the other team, Arsenal were woeful, they constantly gave the ball away, and the defence was a shambles, as a zonal defence so often is.
A good manager would have been screaming and shouting from the touchline, not sitting with his head in his hands, he would have seen the danger and done something about it, Wenger did nothing.
It certainly seems as though the lessons were not learnt earlier in the season, as Pool basically did exactly the same as Chelski tactically. I think there is blame and that the finger indeed needs pointing.
My viewpoint has changed though with regards to the lads performance. What semed a lacklustre display was more down to Mourinhos tactics than the mindset of the players. As Mourinho said afterwards, he set his team up to press us high up the pitch and to make the lads uncomfortable. They certainly looked uncomfortable.
Your points on the lack of pace down the flanks is valid.Walcott is sorely missed. In hindsight it seems criminal that Flamini didn't start.
All in all though, i believe Mourinho caught Wenger on the hop as, having played so defensively at the Emirates, Chelski were far more attack minded this fixture.
Fab I can's disagree with your assessment of Moureen's tactics, but to me this is not the first time these tactics are used against us and it is something we should have been prepared for. Everyone knows our full backs tend to be high on the pitch and leave gaps and that Mert is vulnerable to this. Moureen is infamous for his "defend and counter" tactics and the spaces we leave are mostly behind our full backs when they go up too high and don't track back in time when we lose the ball. This something, IMO, we should have fixed after the Liverpool/City game who used this exact same tactic. Until we fix this, every team is going to try to execute this tactic and teams with skill and pace will be successful.
It does not help we don't have true wingers, forcing our full backs to play that role. Put Walcott on the right and Draxler on the left and there is less need for Gibbs or Sagna to spend so much time high on the pitch.
What worries me is that, with all due respect, you and I, see these recurring faults and Moureen broadcasts them, that Wenger seems perplexed as to why we get slaughtered 3 times in the same way.
Can you really say "no point in pointing the finger"? To me in sports and with scores like this, you have to be able to point the finger in order to fix the problem. These results are either caused by individual errors, collective errors or wrong tactics if you can't point the finger to one of or all of these how are you going to fix it?
We need to play differently against teams with the skills to expose our lack of pace. Mert is not going to become any faster and neither is Arteta or Cazorla or Podolski, Giroud or Sagna. So the way I see it we either change tactics or we change personnel this summer. Even Flamini and Gnarby could inject pace into the current available squad.
I also think we should stop carrying players in our squad who are not ready when they are needed. Why have we not played Gnarby in recent games or Sanogo or Kallstrom
"So when I say I am going to do something about you, I mean it. Whoever you are, I will see to it that you are banned. And I will go public on this."
So what you're saying, Midget, is that Wenger is incapable of sussing the game out as it's being played, and changing tactics to cope.
For once, you may be right.
"That's why we are the only team that has never been relegated from the top division of English football."
That shows how little you know about Arsenal, slayer, maybe should should acquaint yourself with how they got into the top flight when they didn't qualify , friends in high places, slayer.
...and I bet that 'mobility scooter' has leather trim tassles hanging from the handle bars, twinkling fairy lights, and twin chrome air horns, and a custom made seat of cow hide designed like a saddle. What a sight that must be........around Cairns...'watch out here comes Gene Altree' Honk! Honk! Oh dear my guts hurt laughing.......
Now the dust has settled regarding the Stamford bridge debacle perhaps a differing viewpoint to the one i expressed immediately after the game has formed. Mostly i am affording more respect to Mourinhos tactics and am therefore less blaming of our lads supposed bad play.
Mourinho has spoken of the way he set his team to play "We spoke about Arsenal being the kind of team that when they have possession of the ball and when they start building from the back they are very comfortable," Mourinho said.
"They have a big culture of ball possession and we were trying to press them there, to recover the ball and to attack spaces.
"We know also that the full-backs, normally they are wide and up, leaving the two central defenders isolated.
"They are not the fastest guys on the pitch and we knew that by recovering the ball and attacking spaces we could score."
With Mourinhos tactics in mind and the fact that the employment of this gameplay resulted in the game being over within 20 mins, i think perhaps it is unfair to lay the blame solely at the feet of our lads supposed lack of fight.
Mourinho is a great character, though a nasty streak runs through him, as has been shown with various incidents throughout his career, The worst part of this defeat, for me, is knowing the smug portugese really ruined Wengers 1000th game in as big a way as was footballingly possible.
I do think our lads should have re-grouped far better after the first , second, third, fourth, fifth AND sixth goals. But i think you have to take your hat off to the blitzkrieg mastered by the Chelski boss.
"So we may yet see you in the Europa League next season!"
Yikes! ..... You can wish until hell freezes over - it's not going to happen.
Arsenal are a proper CL side, not your typical Yo-yo team like Man U. That's why we are the only team that has never been relegated from the top division of English football.
You can keep your Europa, Rikki......yikes!