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Part of Webb's problem is his Fergie sized ego. I can guess where he got it from too.
Clattenberg isn't popular here, especially at Southampton. Dowd seems ok to me.
Truth is that Webb believes he's bigger than the game being played and that's not right. The same can be said for many a player too. Referees, when doing their job well should be anonymous. Webb feels he needs to be at the forefront of everything.
It also doesn't help that there is little respect for them and the rules simply don't help the referee. It's one of the very few games where it's a benefit to show that you've been injured. In many other games it's taken as a sign of weakness. In football it's used to get an advantage.
I read an article that said he's "escaped" (not sure the person who shared, had the right to use that word) sanction / demotion, and will obviously be in the top flight this weekend. Regardless of whether Suarez embellishes or not (and he does far too much still), a penalty, is a penalty, even if there was one called 10 mins earlier..
The problem is, aside from any conspiracies, no ref in the EPL (maybe any league) wants to make that particular call, again, in that match. My personal 2 favorite refs are Mark Clattenburg and Phil Dowd.. I think Clattenburg, who's been in the middle of many on the field disputes, has the stones to make that call, and maybe Atkinson, who is the red card king.
Webb didn't have the balls, nor do 16/17 others.. In the NFL, the biggest, or smallest of Referee makes the call 10/10 times if they see it, because it's a penalty, it's the rules, and they don't care about any "repercussions" .. I think that's a stigma, EPL refs worry..
Pretty poor wasn't it? Not much I can say other than I feel like I've been burgled and everyone in the street saw it happen
That was the most blatant pen you will see. Just like against Chelsea, he's 6 yards away looking right at it and bottles it (well that's the kind interpretation).
The other interpretation would involve asking why, if he didn't think Suarez was taken out, did he not book him for diving? The answer is that he did see it, he just choose to ignore it.
Disgraceful decision from a disgraceful referee.
One of the main reason (amongst many) I'm Rodgers fan, and remember such absurd flack he got here, early doors last year by our dearly departed, is that he's very good at this gamesmanship with being extremely stoic, quiet and an ace poker face. He was so often criticized for saying little, and positive things..
Sometimes I think he's about to crack a smile and it never comes, so I'm all for this, and why I never even make score predictions.. very superstitious and not into the talking.. "Walk the Walk"
On another note, I'm scratching my head wondering if BR rotates some tomorrow @ Emirates, despite saying he can field the strongest team he wants, minus Glenda Enrique and Sakho..
I'll guess: Migs, Flanny, Skrtel, Agger, Aly - Allen - Henderson, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge. 4-1-2-3.. Subs: Moses, Aspas, Texeira/Gerrard
Let him keep talking and say nothing in return. One game at a time and go for the win every time.
But just stay quiet. Rafa opened his gob and blew it. Nothing frustrates "the mouth" more than not having any fuel to feed off. Don't give him and ounce.
Its funny how opposing managers rip into us when they see us as a threat - but it works sometimes so youve got to expect it. Dont forget that Mourinho is still bitter about us not offering him the managers job a few years ago because they interviewed him realised he wasnt humble enough......or some other #$%$.
For me, I think we have to go for first, otherwise what's the point? Mourinho is right, we only need to play once a week. One thing is for sure, we will not have a better opportunity because the others are going to mop up all the best players in the summer - I think our squad can cope, we've just got to stop the f ups at the back. I'm glad Daniel is back, because Toure has played more than even he thought he was going to!
Definitely a bit of gamesmanship from the Spending One, though he is friends with Rodgers, and he's always had respect and admiration for our club with Rafa out of the picture.
That said, I think he's trying to put a little pressure on us, while he and Rodgers both try to take it off them each respectively, and that is a sign of respect and a bit of fear, especially knowing they will have to come to Anfield for a result, and his Stoke / West Ham like tactics won't scare us much.
As for the finish, we could still very well finish 5th, as it seems Spuds are destined to never lose again, and each week it seems their playing a team from the 2nd division, so our home game vs. the lilly whites will be massive. That said, I agree, third should be the target, because avoiding the very, very early season jitters (IF we're there) of the qualifying, is a bit nervy and tricky, especially since Ayre will have his thumb up his #$%$ with 5 players wanting to join our team in time. 3rd would be ideal, but who's to say 2nd isn't impossible..!!
Roll on til Swansea!! (@Southampton is gonna be a BIT@CH!!)
Starting to throw his fawning media pack a few bones about Liverpool - like SAF before him, he only does this when he feels the club in question are a threat. Happy days I reckon.
Personally, I'd settle for CL qualification but I reckon we need to keep aiming high - 3rd would be 100 times better than 4th for many reasons.
I don't really mean I don't care in such a malaise or in that context, because I know I'll be watching and wanting to win at all costs, and can almost foresee one of those disappointing 2-0 drab losses at the Emirates, like our league game there, and I think Rodgers will definitely rotate some with the finish line in a sprinters distance. But I'd want the win!
A win would surprise me, and I'd take it, but not at the expense of any issues or god forbid a bad result vs Swans at home. Mind you after that, we go to Southampton, our team/hourse of horrors, and sadly, I expect nothing there. Just being honest, maybe 1 pt.
I suppose the good thing about this Arsenal game is, we can bring in some quality players who are on the mend, or on the periphery to match what Arsenal may do, with Bayern Munich looming.
Just a guess, Kelly & Glenda runouts at RB, Agger, Allen, Aspas, Moses, Ibe, then perhaps Jordan, Suarez and maybe Skrtel as the leaders and top quality.
Btw, Joao Texiera is the lad. We bought him from Sporting last season after he tore us up in the Nexgen tournament, and he's compared to Deco.. He showed some class in his 10 minutes.. doesn't say much for Aspas or Moses, whereas I think Alberto just needs to bulk up and adapt.
Agree with most of that.
I think Cissokho has been solid defensively since he arrived - I can't remember anyone getting past him. It's in possession that he has a problem. Love his attitude though.
And, speaking of attitude, did you notice that when PC scored it was Suarez who told them to stop celebrating and get back to the restart to go for the win. What a player.
Some good points Jason.
I do care about the Arsenal game for two reasons. Our upward momentum and Arsenal's downward momentum. I'd like to see us win every game and put real pressure on those above us. Arsenal in my mind will crack and that relieves the pressure currently below us. It's not as if we are stretched in the fixture list. But I do agree that the ultimate prize is CL football. I'd be gutted to lose out on that now due to a stupid lack of focus. I want to see us build confidence to the point of arrogance where people are nervous about facing us.
Kolo, I agree isn't quite at the races at the moment. Problem is that Agger makes me nervous. He has all the attributes but seems to go to sleep. Where is Sakho recovering at the moment. He looked first choice before getting injured and seemed to be coming along.
Good to see a debutante last night. I cant spell his name but i've seen him in the U21's and caught my eye straight away. He's got a bit of quality that stands out.
I always said, and knew that would be a very tough game, especially after the spirited performance they put in at Old Trafford a few days before. I didn't see the whole match, but was kept in the loop, until I was able to get home just after Coutinho scored, and basically saw out the final 16", and I just felt our goal was coming, and it did through Danny's pk.
From what I gathered, and what I saw in the final 16-18", Fulham did play really well, and it was a fairly wide open game, with our opponent's new best weapon, Kolo, opening the account with that beautiful clearance.. He's done an admirable job aside Skrtel, but he's not very graceful, and if Agger is fit to last 90, I think Swansea is the place to do the switch, and see if we can get a solid back 4, and really go from strength to strength. And, again, while I didn't see the entire match, I personally have to say, Aly Cissokho, has looked like a brand new man at LB the past 2 matches. He was really getting stuck in on challenges and marking well vs Arsenal, and I saw him look very composed in more challenges and on the ball late on at Craven.
Back to the point, we need to show more mental strength and grit from the get go in away games, because that's one that could have cost us dearly, especially since Spurs are never losing another game ever again. But, I just felt that what I saw, with our possession, and constant probing of their box, our goal would come in similar fashion to a typical "Fergie time" goal, only maybe this is the beginning of Rodgers time!
3 more points in the bag, another goal to our GD, and let's put Swans to the sword.. I honestly don't care about Arsenal.. well I say that now, and I'll take a win, but league is my gig baby!
Again the post super win bug struck again and we nearly came a cropper last night against a spirited Fulham side. It's something we really need to shake off and develop some real grit in the side so that we can win ugly and have no fear of these awkward away games. These will be a our future key to success, Our home form is currently excellent and long may it continue.
As I said some real grit and muscle needed to make these games at little easier.
I always air on the side of caution, no matter what my gut tells me, (which did tell me we'd beat Arsenal 3-2), so I believe there's no such thing as an easy match.. Oldham in 2 consecutive seasons, Bournemouth, home to Villa. @ WBA as our prime examples, but that said, outside of the 1 goal scored at Brum, we are a nearly unstoppable force on attack, and actually the league's #1 form scoring team, and amongst top 5 (if not 3) in Europe. We must go into Craven Cottage with that same intensity and cohesion, playing hard, smart and having fun, which is something I can't remember seeing in many a year.
Fulham are a wounded animal, playing for their lives at home, so they'll be desperate to get something from this game which means we could come out and put them to the sword early, or catch them on the counters. We'll have the benefit of all that hard, exhausting, desperate and tireless work they put in for 95" at Old Toilet, so that plays into our hands..
At this point, Rodgers has his tactics mastered, full belief in his players/selections, and they in him, so it all comes down to mentality, which I think we can all agree, is strongly setting in from BR down, but the players have to show it. We're unbeaten in 6, and need these 3 points, so I expect nothing less than an effort similar to Evt / Ars..
Got to agree guys. On our day It seems we can give everyone in the UK a good game and even beat them. However we then have this really annoying habit of tripping up every time we get given an opportunity to make ourselves more comfortable. West Brom. being my case in point.
My point being that we are only 3 points clear of Tottenham and I'd seriously not want to lose out on 4th, having given them a hiding but having poor results elsewhere simply because we weren't switched on.
Hi Loki & Jason
I agree with both of you - a fantastic display from the team yesterday - could/should have been more and that against a quality side at the top of the league.
I also agree that the acid test is how we perform away from home against teams lower down the table. Fulham is a must win game for me.
I hate to minimize the cup match, but I think we'd all agree, league and top 4/3 (which is a true target) are the absolute number 1 priority, and key to getting back to the top of England/Europe, so I'm solely focused, and thinking BR is too, on Fulham midweek and then Swansea. Those have to be 6 points, so if we get anything at Arsenal, then we can discuss the cup, but for me, league all the way.
Don't want to go to Emirates and get hammered, but, if we need to make changes, to keep fit and healthy for the following weekend vs Swans at home, followed by a fixture I cringe over.. our trip to St. Mary's, then so be it. If we can get 7/9, or god forbid 9/9, I'd forfeit to let Arsenal have that W, so they can get smashed by City, Chelsea etc.. Not to mention, more fixture congestion for them, which could benefit us..
Anyways, that was a F#c,King AWESOME result at Anfield today, and I can't remember a team ripping apart another top team so quickly like that, in god knows how long. We well and truly could have had 10 goals! So, let's enjoy it and kick on at Fulham now.. no banana peels!
I don't know about the biggest match, but that first half an hour was about the best I have seen performance wise - if that Suarez effort had gone in I would have c*me into my pants!
This is why results like the WBA really get to me because they have the tools and the talent, but they just don't as a team have that consistency of mentality.
That's why for me, the games against the smaller sides are 'bigger', because it shows whether there is any complacency in the minds of the boys, anyone can get up for games against the big boys.
To be fair though, that was f*cking awesome attacking play - Arsenal didnt have a clue what to do. Next week is going to be a real b@stard of a game as a result of today!